In my opinion, people criticize WoW and BFA too much. Of course it has its drawbacks, but I think it is more a matter of adult players who miss the same excitement they received years ago.
The world has changed, the approach to entertainment has changed, whole generations are growing up, which are accustomed to a different type of reward in the game, obtained at a different cost. And Blizzard seems to suit them as well as older players who don’t have that much time to play.
I have time to log in for 1-2 hours, every other day and I like the current WoW shape. I don’t even look at Classic because I don’t have time or health to deal with a rough computer game which Classic is. Besides, the current WoW for me is not only mechanics. It is also productions that are an inseparable part of what we play, where we are. I won’t have it in Classic. It’s powerful emotions and beautiful lore, which is part of WoW for me
That only goes for extra stuff not for mounts. Legion wasn’t a mistake when they said forgot mounts on their reps. They forgot it on purpose to make us do endless paragon boxes starting 7.1 forward. These aren’t addiotinal rewards, these are rewards (mounts, BoP pets and recipes) that should just be on the vendor in the 1st place.
But mounts were never guaranteed from factions in earlier expansions either. I could be wrong but there was no Ebon Blades mount unless you were a DK etc.
This game is in decline all the time and only Blizzard is to blame for this.
The time of MMO’s has passed. Today’s generation of gamers want only quick games without any time dedication to them. This is why games such as Fortnite, pubg etc. are so popular these days. MMO’s are doomed genre, nothing will change it.
WoW also struggle with many problems. People were always saying whenever new MMO came out, that it will be “wow killer” Truth is, that the only “WoW killer” is Blizzard/Activision themselves… As for WoW’s problems… :
Imbalanced warmode in favor of Horde.
Horde bias from Devs, that is killing the game.
Imbalanced racials in favor of Horde, Alliance racials are useless.
If you want to do any serious content in WoW you are forced to play Horde.
Faction imbalance in favor of Horde, Alliance is literally dead in this game, just check “hall of fame” on the forums for proof, that Alliance mythic raiding scene do not exist. If they won’t do anything about it in 9.0, say goodbye to Alliance.
RANDOM battlegrounds infested with russian & german premades since MOP, which make PvP unplayable and unenjoyable anymore.
“World First Race” Horde dominated for years.
No option to gain reputation other than World Quests spam over and over again. Where is MoP’s bonus? Tabards? Mob grind? All gone.
Flying no longer obtainable since launch, once you hit max level. It is now delayed and timegated heavily.
They make 15 years old version of WoW instead of focusing on how to fix retail.
Game being RNG heavy.
Unnecessary changes to the game, that are very bad and nobody asked for them ,such as removal of portals in 8.1 and many, many more.
Removal of content, that is really bad for the game. But elitists and special snowflakes would cry a river otherwise.
Lack of communication from Blizzard, EU forums are deserted, Blues almost never post there.
They think they need to force players to stay subbed, because otherwise they wouldn’t play at all, hmm? Just look how many store mounts they made in BFA + 6 month sub… And compare it to the past expansions. WoW had 11 milions of players in WOTLK, now it has maybe 2 milions at best. They didn’t have to force people to stay subbed back then, like they do now…
Players no longer have options on how to do stuff in game or freedom. Devs enforce on us to play the way how they want us to play WoW. Not how we want, like in the past. Such arrogance tbh. You want to get reputation other than by doing World quests? Sorry, World quests are the ONLY option do gain reputation now.
And last thing are the players. They set ridiculous ilevel requirements in pugs, leave after 1 wipe and lack patience. I always wondered how such people progress raids in their guilds. On the forums it is impossible to have any discussions, because most of the people here seems to be blind to the game’s problems. Not to mention white knighting blizzard, because they can do no wrong, eh? Wish people opened they eyes at last and seen all the things for what they really are. But it probaly wont happen which is really a shame. So this is why WoW is in such a bad state. Players and especially Blizzard needs to change.
well, this expansion surealy wasnt good for wow. We will see what they will do in the next expansion and whether they will be able to bring back subs. at least make wow grow again. This expansion was a disaster. They have tried out many new things and learned a lot from what worked out and what they should omit in the next expansion. You cannot win every time.
And alliance gets bonus item to help get more people in to it. personally warmode is a failed concept from back in vanilla. It was never ever balanced faction wise.
You sure prove this by not proving it in any way shape or form.
This is Far from the case alliance have 2 races with some of the best utility racials in the game never mind the passives, and shadowmeld you can literally skip boss mechanics with it.
On damage they are close enough not to matter do the math on it sometime you will learn.
This is a problem yes but it is more about perception than actual reasons for this, things, like you think that racials are imbalanced, is why people go horde, YOU are PART of the problem by claiming things that are false and can be proven to be false.
This is a personal thing for you does not make it something other people have an issue with at all.
True and yet alliance guilds can do really good but the players have been moving to horde for some reason, because the players are already horde the guilds doing well will prob be horde guilds, cause and effect at work, also the chicken and egg thing.
Do quests you might be surprised how much rep they give.
World quests are just daily quests, the mob grind would be FAR to easy as mob spawn rate follows how many people are killing mobs in the area, so day 1 or 2 people would be exalted.
This is From WoD because in WoD blizzard took Flying out of the game Completly we the players managed to get the dev team to compromise we have the first half of the expansion without it and the second half with it.
2 different teams that have no real overlap in game devs
People GOT to understand that they need to spesify what RNG they are talking about the game is and always have been RNG heavy but there are good and bad RNG, just saying it is RNG heavy means nothing.
The removal of portals was bad but it was also a sort of clean up i can understand why blizzard did it, and not like the change.
but what other unnecessary changes to the game are you talking about here?
You are part of the elitist people by just further up in your own post here complaining that the world first race is dominated by horde, racials (something that at best on damage is 2% dps) and more.
Things that should not matter for most people.
Here i agree with you, blizzard Love to use Twitter for stuff these days instead of there own platform.
Here you are mixing up different things.
The mounts you can look at it as a bribe but you could also look at it as a bonus.
You seem to look at it as a bribe ok that is fine but do you know how far back they would have had to start the idea for these mounts to get them out at all?
it was well before the launch of this expansion i can tell you that.
WOTLK had 11million yes but that was when all the servers was new around the world, your number after (so the 2milion) is just fictional you made that up.
However, most MMORPGs on the market would kill to have 2milion players, wow is still the largest one.
You really dislike doing world quests i get that but you do not have to do them each day if you hate them so much yes you will get rep slower then other people that do it but that is you doing something you dislike.
We have far more options on how to gear now then we did in past expansions, we have far better tools to know what gear we want then past expansions.
Feel free to discuss, but know that most of the things i just replied to are opinion-based.
And that is largely (in my opinion) because of this:
You can not have discussion if you label different opinions as being blind, white knighting, etc.
Be respectful to other people’s opinions and don’t resort to personal attacks if you disagree with them and you could definitely have proper discussions.
Method kills mythic G’huun (few hours later): BUY THIS 6-month SUB!
1 week or before Christmas: Buy this mount!
Chinese new year: BUY THIS MOUNT!
8.2 releases: Buy this 6 month sub
Re-release and 15th anniversary of classic: BUY THESE MOUNTS!
They time it so well people do not think and just press buy because they are hyped or when content is brand new. See the opinions on 8.2 now, most report “really we need to do this for 6 months+?”. But people already bought the 6 month sub plan so they are stuck.
Heck the 2 toys for MDI only 25% went to the prize pool. Not even 50% or rather 75% , no just 25% and people were defending it.
"Sponsor us helping us give these poor kids a vacation! Donate on xxxxxxxx
P.S. We keep 75% as profit for ourselves"
It’s very clear they are aiming at the crowd that is willing to not think and just buy. Most of the community hates it but even negative feedback and attention convinces some to buy it to spite the majority. Quite genius if you ask me. Need to check the dislike ratio for this one: 2k likes 24k dislikes… yeah every mount it’s getting worse but apparently some still buy it.
I always know when someone starts with that, that what comes next is gonna be good…you did not disappoint…
hmm? How does that work? The Horde get a lesser bonus for playing in War Mode to reflect the fact that they slightly outnumber the Alliance on the ‘normal’ realms. How is that Warmode being intrinsically unbalanced by Blizzard? Surely that is players choosing to play a particular faction?
OK champ, you got any proof for that? Anything? We’ve only had one of the Story Team say that they favour a particular Faction, and that was Christie Golden, who quite freely admitted that she favours…The Alliance. But yeah, seriously, any proof of what you claim would be awesome.
Are.You.For.Real? How long have you been playing the game? Do you not remember the absolute supremacy of ‘Every Man For Himself’ as a racial, for a good six or seven years. Humans still get ‘Diplomacy’ for heavens sakes! This is all the more important when mounts, rewards, heck even flying is gated behind rep grinds. Humans are literally doing the Rep grind on -easy- mode. Last I checked they were not a Horde race.
By Who? Is there some secret team of Operatives who monitor your playing and pay you a visit looking serious in black sunglasses and asking why you are trying to do content as Alliance, and to kindly get with the programme and do it on Horde instead? No, not going to indulge your paranoia here, you are forced to do no such thing.
Ahah, there you are, have you given consideration, as alien as the idea may be, that those players are simply -better- at Mythic Raiding? That there is not some shadowy cabal that tilts the odds. Alliance is not ‘literally’ dead. That is not what Literally means, you mean ‘Figuratively’ and even that is a wild exaggeration, still, good to know that your crystal ball is working and you can define with certainty the exact point that suddenly everyone playing Alliance chooses not to play the game anymore.
I don’t vastly care about battlegrounds, but from what I do know, there you are making a valid point, yes, and one they should address.
So? Maybe as I say, they are simply better players. Not better because they are Horde, but just better.
I do agree with this, If I want to grind something, and spend my time doing it, it should be -my- choice as to how fast I progress. If I want to do 4 World Quests and sit on that Rep, fine, that is my choice. If I want to do 70 World Quests and get that Rep, that should also be my choice. Tabards were great, and should be reintroduced.
Again, with this I agree. If you really, really want Flying, you should be able to work for it from day 1 of an expansion, at whatever pace you decide.
This wasn’t their plan. They did it because a very vocal minority wouldn’t stop banging on about it. That isn’t Blizzard’s fault. That is our fault as players. I don’t like it either. It is leeching from my subscription. If they can afford to have a different team work on Classic, then they could have better used that team to improve the actual game instead. Y’know…like I pay my Sub for…
This is also true, and absolutely shameful behaviour on Blizzard’s part. If you get a ‘Blue’ to oversee a regional forum, then they should do so. Answering safe threads about their favourite cookie type is not adequate, feeling forced to answer weekly “NERF X NAO or RIOT” threads is also just unnecessary. Answering polite threads with a lot of acclaim and backing, however, is.
You are conflating two different things here. The MDI sale was to raise money for a the prize pot for a game tournament and it was always advertised as only 25% of the price would go into the pot. The charity sales have always been 100% of the sales for a set time period and then the money goes to Blizzard after the time limit has expired.
close, but the devs did NOT want us to have flying. they gave it to us kicking and screaming in a terrible and painful format rather than a “fair” compromise.
NEVER FORGET, Ion NEVER wanted flying in the game after MoP.
Brigante is right. it doesn’t matter that its 2 different teams. if classic was not a thing, then the combined teamwork from the 2 teams could have improved BfA. but lets not kid ourselves, they could have the top game devs on the planet on BfA and it would still be this bad BECAUSE the people at the top making the final decisions WANT BfA and WoW to be like this. Ion WANTS the game like this. as long as the top management team are in the positions they are, it doesn’t matter how many or how skilled the dev team is, their work will be ruined at the final hurdle. take nazjatar.
a zone that looks really nice from a flying point of view. but because people were glued to the ground for the first few weeks unless they speed grinded rep, they grew to despise it while they are on the ground. many people now still dont have flying and being ground based feeds their resentment of the new zones, when really they look beautiful. (i would suggest increasing how high you can fly by just another bit to really take in the ocean around you).
however, i would disagree that the vocal minority “forced” blizz to do it. making classic is a MAJOR undertaking as for some reason they dont seem to have the original code. (maybe im thick, but the original game is on the original discs? ok there were future patches, but the discs should have been an easy starting point). there are LOTS of things that vocal minoritys have been calling for for years which would be a LOT easier to implement and actually make sense rather than all the work needed to make classic.
i heard a theory as to why blizzard did it, but elements of it have been called into question so i wont repeat it. HOWEVER, there is a different scenario too. there are so many players on private servers and the legal costs involved with dealing with nostarius etc that i think that classic is only here because blizzard see $$'s.
while probably true in the past, the fact that RNG permeats basically EVERY aspect of the game now, means that saying “just rng” is a good enough reason. rng is bad. its slimy. it should be cut back to PROPER bare bones.
im not sure how that makes him elitist? hes asking for people to have more chance of things by balanced factions or balanced racials. so, at least in this example, i would not consider him elitist.
a friend who quit in cata came back a few months ago to try wow out again for a month. when he got to legion, and saw how the whole artifact system was basically gone, he just quit as the artifacts were a core aspect of legions system.
when i told him the same had been done in WoD and MoP with the last parts of the lego quests (ring and back) being removed, which were the core line of the storyline he just couldn’t believe it and swore he would never give blizzard another chance.
true, but because so much of things atm are veiled in “we dont know” cause blizzard doesnt’ release numbers or anything, means that players have to some degree fallen into the camp of pro blizzard or anti blizzard. however, even at times where blizzard should be praised for something they did in the game (allow hidden transmog for all slots bar pants for example), overall they should be getting called out by EVERY player for their dodgy sales/physiological tactics and their focus on keeping players in their chairs rather than keeping players interested in the game. as such, lots of people will keep calling blizzard out, but then other people will defend blizzards actions, even though they are wrong. its not a matter of opinion here, unfortunately they are just flat out wrong.
example, i can not believe there is a SINGLE person, who actively tries to get the items in paragon boxes, that thinks that the current paragon system is a good idea. YET there are loads of people defending the paragon system, or saying they like it. i bet that EVERY one of those people either a) doesn’t do paragon at all, b) do it in passing because they just get a box every couple of weeks through passive wq’s or c) people who only wanted one item, and once they got that item, they ignored the other 20 odd paragon boxes, and were lucky getting it quite fast.
but yet, we have people defending paragon. looking at the system from the outside, it is just a disgustingly designed system, with the SOLE goal of keeping people grinding rep till their eyes bleed. and thus we get the argument occurring between the 2 groups of players which is inevitable. but im sorry to say, those defending paragon ARE wrong. and as long as people dont accept that, or think its just my opinion or any other defense, we’re going to have people saying what you did. and if said fairly, you’re honestly not wrong, but sometimes, opinions ARE facts, because they’ve been based on facts.
my opinion is the earth is round, not flat. does my opinion make me any less wrong? and those who say thats a fact not an opinion, in that case, why is people believing the earth is flat an opinion?
they are conflating 2 issues, and all of us need to be careful with not being factual. there is enough shady actions and directions to hang blizzard naturally that we do not need to make stuff up. at those moments you will be caught out and people will jump to blizzards defense because the allegation made against them has been proven to be wrong or not fully true, then those people will defend blizzard till kingdom come.
the pet (charity)
IF (and having worked in the charity industry i am skeptical) 100% of the pet proceeds from a certain time period went to a charity, then that is good, BUT why do they need to make it a limited time thing? why not make it that ALL the sales goes to a charity, or at least all the sales of that pet for the whole expansion in which it was released. and im curious to know how long this “benevolent” action went on for. does anyone know how long these charity pet sales lasted? with sources if possible.
the toys (competition)
why was it only 25%? do i really need to delve into this more? does anyone REALLY think that its not greedy to take 75% profit from an event whose sole existence is sold as raising enough money to make decent prize pools for their competitions?
like i said, blizzard do enough to hang themselves. dont make stuff up and try to be as accurate as you can, as false info only hurts us in the end.
No clue why people defend it till this day, I gave the example of children’s charity for poor orphans taking 75% of donations for profit. You would stop donating and give the money to the orphanage in cash. Atleast they get 100% then and not just 25%. I would have excused it if it was 25% is taken by Blizzard to cover cost and 75% went towards the price money pool. No, it was the other way around.
Also strange that we had to sponsor the price money when we pay a sub, I mean couldn’t they take a small bit of the monthly sub money? If nobody bought them would the price money have been nothing but a pat on the back?
Nope the Classic team is seperate from both WoW teams at best you can argue they would be working on the next expansion.
Again literally different people making WoW BFA and WoW classic hell the team that is making the next expansion is not even the team that was on classic.
I don’t but i am ok with how it is now do i miss flying when we cant yes i do but i can live with it as long as we will be getting it later on.
You could have flying now by doing world quests in each zone not even every 4 days i know this because i was sick at the start of this patch and lost many days for that and i could not be bothered to farm like crazy for the flying and i got flying now.
And you did not define what that is so you do not have to do any work.
There is different RNG you want it cut down to barebones but what is the barebones the vanilla RNG the RNG in Wrath when one class and spec could do more than 50% damage than another spec and class.
Back to PPM systems where one person could get 10 procs in a boss fight and another could get 2.
It is Elitist BECAUSE IT DOES NOT FING MATTER WHAT RACE YOU PLAY the racials for DPS IS balanced as much as they can be without Cloning one and give it to every race. it is a 2-4% dps differance (this is only the damage the racials does btw not total damage) between the best and the worst for all classes in the game. (or it was the last time i did the math on it in BoD.)
You do know that the neck is from the artifact system that the weapons used.
He quit in Cata when in cata? If at the start then i guess he could not handle systems changing. And ofc he would quit now if that is the case.
He would not have been able to play the game in legion either.
However i do not see how your friend quiting because of Legion artifacts (part of the story is why they do no longer have powers)
has anything to do with what i said i was not talking about what he said but rather that he thinks he is Not part of the elitist people and yet he complains about some of the most elitist things around racials for most people if not close to all the dps of them is so small that you would get a FAR higher increase in just playing a tiny fraction better.
so are you saying that there are 3 complete different and seperate teams working on wow?
i personally disagree. i think 2 things should be done to pathfinder.
make it available, in full, from the start of the expansion.
remove rep requirements.
and yes, while it can be done by now, but im saying some people are still missing it. for the first 3 weeks of 8.2 i didn’t even touch the 8.2 content as it was disheartening knowing the path ahead. but one example i know, the person wants to raid or pvp mainly, with achievements on the side. also they have had lots or irl stuff the last couple of months that limits their time on. SO, they have to choose between doing something they enjoy, ie pvp and raiding with the side of having enough consumeables, or they have to put their limited time to 8.2 content and not do the content they enjoy.
this is the overall issue. people are being forced between elements of the game they like doing, or keeping up with things and putting their time into the forced bums on seat grind that blizzard keeps doing.
all rng outside of combat. so, drops basically.
terribly low drop rates should not exist
there should be a bad luck protection system (we know they can do this, they did it for legion legos) where if you dont get item on an attempt, the next time you try, you get a bonus % chance for it to drop.
thats not rng, thats bad class design?
it is not elitist. i think you mean its silly? then you are right. overall, dps increase is limited to an almost unnoticeable amount unless its the top top players. surely if he was elitist he would want only 1 race to have the best racial, his.
he quit in late cata iirc and it was for work reasons mainly. the reason why he quit was because the artifacts are basically stat sticks now. ok, for us we know why they no longer have their powers, but for him he hadn’t got to that part in the story so he should still have had a powerful weapon. i only mention removal of things in relation to blizzard removing things all the time, and in the cases i cited, pretty core things to the storyline. the guy said about removal of content which is why i mentioned it. again, another thing that makes him not elitist because hes advocating against it.
elitists want things limited to just themselves or a small group. he is clearly saying he wants otherwise in every example here. but that section doesn’t matter. the two points to take away from that debate is:
blizz need to balance classes more so that (outside the top top players) you dont see these overweighted class setups
blizz needs to stop removing things from the game. major or minor.
Yes there is there is 2 primary dev teams this became a thing because blizzard wanted to make a new expansion every year they scrapped that but kept the teams.
The classic team was put togheter from people who are not in any of those teams if we are to believe blizzard.
I understand what you are saying i do sort of agree but also not really.
I could argue that those people choose not to have it to be able to do other content but i do agree that it should not be the case.
This sounds like a terrible idea and for me makes drops just boring af.
Is there some new definition of Elitist these days?
Min-maxing this hard is definitely Elitist if we follow the definition from earlier years.
Now i am confused do you mean late Legion potentially?
Or did you mean that as he left late Cata and then he quit this time beacuse artifact weapons are statsticks?
Yes they should but you see then utility becomes the new thing we measure balance for, as proven in legion when we had the best dps balance ever in the history of the game.
this seems so extremely and unnecessarily messy. :\ and if true, explains the common perception of “good expansion, bad expansion”.
thats a little stretch. its not like they’re not playing or not doing anything. they still spend a lot of time online, but you see where im (they are) coming from, so thats grand.
well, thats just off the top of my head. obviously if serious thought was put into the system im sure there could be a balance that gives people a chance to complete collections while not handing everything to people on a plate. it just seems insane that for example:
people are opening over 70 paragon boxes on the same toon, for the same faction and still not getting the mount,
that item from legacy content have such a low drop rate to this day, eg. a blacksmithing plan from vanilla never seems to drop: “wicked mithril blade”. its an item 15 years, and theres nothing special about it and ive yet to see it on AH, or in all the tens of thousands of vanilla mobs i have killed since 2008 on all my alts.
mobs just dont spawn. eg. this is more a bug possibly, but when people ticket gm’s the reply is “thats rng lol”. this one in particular is called Whiplash in stormsong valley. its been over a year, and seems so rare that instead of the normal helpful info posted on wowhead for the npc, people are posting that the wq is up! thats terrible and not the only time a npc/mission/wq just didn’t spawn.
i think i see where you are coming from now and the context you are using it in, so if i understand you right, then we are both right.
the second. he quit in late cata and tried the game again around Christmas just gone, and quit again because while he was doing the legion content, it just felt off because the artifact weapons are statsticks.
because i don’t know how to play other classes beyond smashing buttons i wont argue for or against the balance. the only sort of factors i have to go on are:
when i don’t get melted in a few seconds by players, even quite higher geared than me (415).
when the complaints on forums simmer down and the only complaints are truly not sane.
i was under the impression though that the best balanced time was either MoP, or late WotLK (if you don’t include dks!)