U have selfheal u dont need deffs and u have 2 bubbles sac wall absorb idk what ur issue is
Cdew got oneshot outside wings So nope, not true.
Yeah those CDs that just get insta purged. Wings should be purgable as well just to keep it fair.
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Mages got triune + other trash buffs which easily cover combust. In the meantime they spam CC + fireballs to quickly reset combustion. If you want dispellable Wings then give rets trash buffs to cover it + holy power spenders to reset its duration 
Some just refresh Triune right after or during pressing combust so GL, āJuST dISpel IT!ā
Just a thought, but why does both hpala and resto shammy need interupt immunities ontop of already keeping groups alive with next to 0 mana cost instant casts? Like theres no ways to punish them for bad play 
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I didnāt watch that one live, but Iām not surprised, ret is busted, but itās really two sided. Didnāt Method destroy ret/war team with their mage, there was even a one shot? (Not defending ret, itās busted, but casters are same, just the game balance is total crap).
This is first what will be nerfed tho. Ret healing + warrior tankinest or his utilites to def a team. Actually in the past this comp called retard cleave coz how is its was braindead.
Not casters, priest and mage are busted. We saw 5 main classes at AWC: Paladin, Priest, Shaman, Warrior and Mage, with the rest being used once or never (DH, Monk).
And this is pretty much the high ladder, those classes are the first 5 places in class representation.
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Warrior utility needs looking at, true. Intervene duration should be shorter. Overwatch is also to be looked at. Warrior is played now like a super āpreventerā in well organized teams. Itās not even the dmg, other specs easily can out damage arms or do crazy burst, but the ability of arms to stop goes is what is most precious.
Tankiness is needed, how is a non-healing class supposed to survive in this game where almost every dps heals like crazy?
If all off healing is drastically decreased, then probably ignore pain should be nerfed too.
But first of all all broken and obnoxious things have to be fixed.
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That was wingsā¦
Hoj, Wings, Divine toll & TV.
did u see how mediocre that ret is? He died one match with bubble available. Let me be clear, he is Hojed, mage combust, and the dude decides to eat full hoj/combust at around 40% hp without popping bubble.
And then the warrior saw mage in execution hp and dropped all his defensive. Reload is playing really single dimentionally and still almost won the bracket.
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the damage is also top niche, thereās invisible mortal strike/sharpen blade healing reduction behind armsā damage, we saw jungle dealing 0 damage to restro shaman, but arms/dk just follow a restro shaman whole match and killed it by pure dps.
And then this arms/ret combo just chasing sp and sp is like made of paper, itās a sp we talkin about cāmon.
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Spotted the rmp player
I watched the game arms/ele vs sp and what I saw is, when arms alone on sp - nothing out of ordinary good dmg but sp can handle it for quite long time alone, there comes ele - bang bang, sp almost dead from ele burst.
Arms dmg is good and thatās how it should be, as this is primarily what this spec is about + tankiness and some utility, but currently their team utility is a bit too much and this is what must be looked at.
This should be done together with nerfing of all 1 shot mechanics + hybrid off healing though.
I have the feeling that the difference in tankyness between the classes has gotten too huge. There are almost zero squishy classes played in AWC, everything what we see are tanky comps dominating.
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What do you consider Squish enough to not be in those tanky comps?
just look at the damage sumary after match, and add like 25% of chasā healing into warriorās damage, because of motal strike.
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Heās doing comparable to ret/sp damage and sometimes even more.
I donāt care about mage. They are completely (com)busted. I was talking about Dark Soul and Power Infusion which op mage just steals.
Yeah, someone already told me. My bad.
only 1 ret team realy owned btw the best on ladder
the other was cara and they lost first game session 3-0
Iām just saying if they are gonna nerf wog healing we need better defensives. Shield of vengance gets exploded in a global during burst so not much of a cd, other than that thereās only bubble and your class can remove that easily too. Eye for an eye is good against melee but itās a talent so you sacrifice a lot of already lacking mobiltiy by picking it.
feral isnt in a bad state. They are not ret/war level but definitely not ābadā.
Convoke boomy isnt really op too or why do you think we didnt saw any convoke druids in the tournament?
these two points are the most important ones. On my boomy for example i do 2500 starsurges without cd. With cds and crits i to 16k+.
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