yeah actually it does. if for say tank royally ruins the guys key because he aint got a clue what he’s doing that 100% warrants being called a crap tank and to l2p. if that counts as abuse well jolly jee grow a spine.
we have no context. so other than judging the snowflake mentality of hearting over the singular comment op mentioned we have nothing else to go on…
as for mentioned, its a game. some people have limited play time and dont have time to waste of people trolling their keys. id 100% give said troll some well deserved verbal.
It’s not “called a crap tank basically” though is it? You’re missing the nuance in how it was phrased which makes a major difference to how it is received.
Let’s say you’re in a dungeon and you make a misplay. I could respond to “calling you out” (ie calling you a baddie) in several ways:
“Looks like you messed that one up lol”
“You know what you doing there bro?”
“Clueless scrub, clearly boosted”
“Omg X is giving me cancer in the brain right now”
“Go stick a dagger in ur eye because clearly this aint for u mate”
All acheive the same thing of telling you you did poorly, but if you think they’re all likely to be received the same, you’re wrong.
It’s irrelevant whether you “wouldn’t care” either way about how it was said. You’re not insulting yourself are you? It’s someone else. The only thing that matters is how they react and how they interpret it and the fact remains with the exmaples above there are a few of them that will pretty much guarantee a bad reaction whilst others won’t, whilst all communicate the same basic message: you screwed it up.
Now ask yourself if getting the key done is your primary aim, why on earth would you decide to run with the option that may cause a random to respond badly? All it invites is risk. You can wax lyrical about how they “should be tougher” etc etc but this isn’t some hypothetical philosophical session about people’s tolerance, it’s a dungeon you want doing; so why would you do something that potentially sabotages that aim?
I believe most of us know the answer to that question. It’s about schadenfreude and people’s desire to prioritise that over the original reason they joined the dungeon in the first place and the reason the other people joined the dungeon in the first place.
No, you could give the guy a chance to improve. Let him know what he’s doing wrong and teach him how to play. If that fails then you are free to call a vote to replace him instead of shouting abuse.
To be honest, this is one of the reasons why I try to avoid tanking as much as possible until I feel I don’t have another choice. But yesterday I had a positive run as a tank even though I was inexperienced, and I think it’s because I had positive criticism from dps, especially when I didn’t notice if a mob is dead - sanguine pool dropped. And we timed it, with very few deaths overall.
What I’m trying to say is, just because a dps or healer is saying something or being critical it’s not abuse, sometimes you need to reflect on whether if you are doing something wrong and make an effort to improve.
Correct. Some tanks and healers do respond to even fair criticism badly.
“This tank gives me cancer” isn’t fair criticism. It isn’t even criticism, because it isn’t making it clear where or what a failure was or due to what. It’s simply a negative comment. And people act surprised when the reaction is simply a negative one.
let’s say a friend of mine is trying out make up for the first time. She hasn’t done a great job.
I can tell her what looks awful specifically. ie “That eyeshadow makes you look like a circus extra and with that lip colour it just enhances the clown vibe” although a bit on the nose, at least i’m making it clear what the problem is. They may do something with that feedback and try again.
If I just respond “Your face is making me want to put a cheesegrater to my eyes” it’s likely their response is going to be to lash back at me.
This isn’t rocket science, it’s basic human communication, a skill many people on the internet appear to have forgotten.
Yea…no! I’m a healer, and shts i’ve seen done by tanks … well, let’s just say Red Carpets and Flowers are the last thing to offer them.
What’s this? Don’t Hurt My Feelings Online Show? “Something Nice” is…debatable. If I find something nice and funny, maybe Tank will feel offended. What then?
If you can’t take good and bad in games, I suggest go play with Friends/Guilds or just Solo play. Why is it that everyone MUST “obey” to the Tanks…feelings?!
Perfect! Except sht happens. OP feelings were hurt by a text NOT abusive at all. “wtf is this tank, gives me cancer”. If someone is REALLY feeling offended by this line and call it /leave , I pretty much suggest to leave PUGing alone, because I’m literally tired of Tank ( and not only ) which at the first sign of an Aggro Pack ( which was cleared easily ) he leaves.
I literally said to a tank in a Dungeon Finder at around lv 53 ( Hey, what are you doing? ), while he was just pulling mobs left and right and 3 of us died. His reply? “LOL noob!” and then I got kicked out.
People should really stop this “crusade” and rise the Tanks at the “Untouchable” Rank or “Angels”, because they are none of this.
You would seriously prefer a possibly perfectly viable potential tank in the PUG pool leaves that pool because they don’t like being screeched at, as opposed to the one mouthing off learning to cool their jets a bit?
This sounds a bit like “don’t go on that side of town because the people there are racist and will beat you up” and blaming the person for going there rather than considering the racist behaviour may be the problem.
If people keep making excuses for toxic mentality and telling tanks/dps/healers on the receiving end to “get lost then” all you do is decrease the PUG pool and for what? So people are free to throw insults at each other? What a freaking hill to die upon.
i agree this problem isn’t specific to tanks experiencing it (anyone can be on the receiving end) but in any situation it is the one being toxic that sparks the problem and makes it worse. The player making an error is an issue, but most issues can be resolved with prompt responses. Toxic responses simply increase the chance it won’t be resolved because someone will get their nose out of joint.
Surely there are better things to argue for or things to pursue (like actually having smooth key runs) as opposed to “mate I should have the right to say people give me cancer and if they have an issue with it it’s their problem” it’s just to me, such a stupid position to try and defend.
It’s irrelevant whether people should or shouldn’t be offended by terms like cancer. Fact is some are, so there we go. A group working to a timer isn’t the best time to try and impose your “toughen up” philosophy and test it out in live action when the possible consequence of that is it causes the timer to not be met.
Abusing new tanks in LFR raid, fing joke. Leave tanks alone & go play a Normal raid if you want no deaths. Ive just got in to lfr being low gear & seeing this abuse & calling the t…s out. Anyway the high geared Tank was kicked instead of the noob
Yes, the player who starts a toxic or close to …“dialog”, is the guilty one, but what happens with the other 3 players who are not engage in any way shape or form, in the…“toxic dialog”? eF them, I’m leaving, right ? That’s selfish.
As I said, I’m a healer. I’ve seen many …toxic things to me and others, but I mostly ignore them and move on with the dungeon, because there are also 3 other people involved in this “mess”, which are not guilty at all. I literally stayed in a +9 Dungeon till the end, knowing we will not time it, because in the first 10 mins I played pretty bad and we wiped twice.
I continued, even tho’ , mainly the tank was pretty toxic towards me. Yes, I did say “Sorry, seems I have a bad day!”. It was his key and I assume this was the reason for not leaving.
Now, use your imagination, after we completed the dungeon, what kind of : You (@#()( (#@ HEALER!! F#@)#@ S#(@#@(* (#@#@ type of comments I got from the tank, as now the key was done and he could “unleash” his anger.
I did replied some back, but then I just /leave.
In the end, 3 other people had a +9 completed key for their Vaults.
Nup, but it’s a given that you come across players who end up saying something you dislike to say it nicely. They warn you for this, before you purchase the product. Then you can be hurt and cry in a corner or just use the tools provided by Blizzard to never see another chat from that person again and just continue.
what is obvious to you is not that clear to many others, I’ve seen many people try to leave at the first sight of criticism. That is what I’m really trying to spotlight on, obviously if the language turns to WTF OMG TANK LOL then it’s outside the scope of what I’m trying to say and I wouldn’t support putting up with such language, either ignore or leave.
please it’s not 2011