Long story short, the “me, me, me” attitude, the inability to do something in this game without maximal personal profit (often at the expense of others), and how widespread and mainstream this has become. Good luck finding any sensible pug group today with no trace of gold being traded. Even most SR runs are run as semi-gdkp these days. This attitude is in my opinion really is negative for the game. It’s like people forgot they are playing a multiplayer RPG.
I also had a toon on Noggenfogger during classic. The pug scene was thriving, and GDKP was something obscure that people deemed as sketchy. And for good reasons.
But this has all been said already, as Nebulax pointed out. It really serves no purpose for me to repeat myself over and over. You can just look at my post history, to be honest, and you will find my arguments.
Edit: Come to think of it, perhaps it’s the above that J Allen Brack was talking about all those years ago, “you think you do, but you don’t”.
Wierd, i join st runs every week without any kind of gdkp elements in them. Just a pure soft res. Im roughly 5k on that toon and have multiple groups to chose between. I think you being overdramatic and tries to see everything negative now since youve made up youre mind and need to convince yourself.
Classic was just the same on the me me focus tbh. It doesnt differ any at all from the wotlk experience. Have you guys all forgotten the whine about ganking during p2? Dispellers in og? Gdkps that where thriving ( yes on noggenfogger. You just ignored them because you wanted to be positive instead of negative). Certain classes never got raid spots etc etc.
Not sure what ganking in phase 2 and world buff dispellers has to do with this, but yes I remember that.
My classic experience was not the same at all. The pugs filled quickly, there was no “buy this, buy that”, just simple SR → MS → OS. GDKP did exist yes, but it wasn’t the meta at all. It’s really hard to argue GDKP (and pay to win as an extension) is not the meta nowadays.
All in all, I think Wotlk is a better game than classic. My main issue is the playerbase and its attitude. And that ruins the game for me, since this game is not intended and centered around soloplay. If you don’t agree with me, that’s genuinely good on you, keep playing and don’t listen to me. But I don’t, and that’s okay too.
Edit: Actually, if you want to experience what I’m talking about. Make a character on the hardcore servers and play for a few days. I bet you will quickly see the shift in player mentality and behaviour from Wotlk servers. I’m almost certain the players eventually will find a way to ruin this experience aswell, but for the time being it’s actually a nice place to be.
I will never touch the hardcore servers, i dont like the idea to loose my progress. Call me bad sure thats just how i work.
The thing that made pugs fill faster in classic was that there was just to easy. You cant really fail in classic raiding (ok mayby naxx). When wotlk naxx was released everyone could put it super easily, since it was brain dead content difficulty wise, then ulduar hit with a BIG step in difficulty (not that its hard but for an average dad gamer i guess its hard).
And now togc comes wich is super easy aswell except from the fact that you cant wipe once if you want one of the best items in the game.
For 4/5 runs in togc its usually super easy to get invited.
And yes p2 and dispelling is in this topic because you said classic (60) players didnt have the toxic mentality, and im calling that out to be BS, you just ignored them because you wanted to be positive about the game.
Toxic people in various forms has been in the game since it launched, but that is not really what this is about. It’s about the pug scene and the negative effect GDKP and RMT has in that regard. And how widely accepted and supported this is amongst the community.
You people should all thank your lucky stars that I have absolutely no say or influence with Blizzard, and that nothing I think do or say matters one jot when it comes to WoW Classic.
Because if I were to have my way GDKPs would be outright banned with harsh account penalties to anyone who ran, or took part in one.
There used to be rules against running in-game lotteries for gold, and taking part in one could very much end up with action being taken against your account. These rules are no longer enforced, but GDKPs are effectively that - an in-game lottery for gold (I say ‘gold’, but we all know that vast sums of gold being transacted are actually purchased from dodgy third party sites, and farmed by bots).
But of course, rather than taking action against this horrendous, toxic, obnoxious practice, Blizzard give their tacit consent, and actually legitimise it by introducing WoW tokens.
But, as I said, I’m powerless to do anything about it, and my opinion counts for nothing against the baying hordes of people who will likely make outraged posts in response to this.
I remember my guild back in original molten core before BWL was even released, we ran GBID on some items to finance raid consumes. This has been a thing since before wow was ever a thing, and nobody has ever effectively controlled it, because you literally cannot.
A number of my guildies (who all also participate in GDKP in one way or another, surprise surprise) actually have been banned for gold buying, temporary ones though. Believe it or not though, I’m somewhat of an agreeable person, so I didn’t make too big of a deal about it. But yes, in a perfect world this behaviour would have more severe consequences, indeed.
But gdkp cant really be an issue since you can most likely join or create an SR run or a MS/OS any hour a day, Ive never had an issue finding SR runs on gehennas, and i tend to join some in the middle of the day sometimes.
Just learn F***i and you wont have to deal with broken english. Atleast when the raid leaders are not disconnected that is, the southern sanctioned country they all play from tend to have bad internet connection and they usually have to switch VPN a few times every raid.
30k is not enough for ToGC GDKP where some items have starting bids closer to 100k (or used to have atleast).
EDIT: GDKP tend to have horrible practices for selling loot, shaming buyers in to buying garbage is not uncommon.
This absolutely happened in the run I was in. The guy got mad because I didn’t want to buy an item upgrade for 10k gold that essentially would have gotten me 25 more stamina from my current piece. Another member of the raid also got hit by his anger for also not wanting to buy a slight upgrade from his current gear piece. That guy probably got hit worse than me tbh.
Well yeah, if you go into raids like that the people running them are making a living from their 20% organizer cut. Any reason they can find to make someone spend more or keep their cut will be used.
GDKP is a great source of income for eastern europeans (Ciciban, Honzi are 2 great examples with 20+ chars hosting 50 GDKPs a week) so no doubt that many from those areas are hopping on with no strats or the ability to speak english to make easy $$$. Aggrend replied to a twitter post, stating how good GDKP is as a loot system, so RMT won’t really be mitigated until Blizzard hires real GM’s.
Loot council? With good and reasonable council it’s the best loot system, but chances for such council are incredibly low. Most of the time it’s biased and causes most dramas.
SR? You can SR something endlessly and either someone else will roll higher or item won’t drop wasting your time.
GDKP? Of course with no gold you won’t get items, but at least you’ll get your cut… or get scammed
MS>OS? Roll again. See: SR.
DKP? You won’t buy anything until you get your weapon/trinket.
BidDKP? You can get trolled by someone to lose a lot points.
EPGP? Most fair to be honest, but it doesn’t care about performance.
Onslaught? It’s horrible system to gear one person after another, but at least it’s transparent.
