Exactly. For some unknown and odd reason the (almost) symmetrical maps are a lot more fun to play on both sides and it’s perfectly reasonable to expect to have a way to win in almost every case (provided you’re not a pug vs a premade ofc) and the completely asymmetrical one produced this bad joke of a BG. Funny how that works.
Quite impressive indeed especially considering I’ve never seen an enhancement shaman that I couldn’t handle (unless they get all their procs and crits on the 1st hit ofc). But I guess that’s more because warlocks are so broken in 1v1s than because I’d be an amazing player. I still have my doubts that you’re able to solo carry a significant number of ABs and WSGs considering those usually get carried by either flag carriers or sneaky flag caps and not top fraggers.
Now that I find extremely suspect. I haven’t played in the bellow 50 brackets much but I’ve heard they’re completely full of Horde twinks so I can believe you about that. I have played in the 50-59 a bit and I don’t think Alliance lost a single match. And this wasn’t because I’d be doing anything special or because I had amazing gear (I didn’t) but simply we had more and better geared 59s every match. This seems to be consistent with Horde players complaining heavily about this particular bracket being full of Alliance twinks. Yet your experience is the exact opposite? Very interesting indeed.
Quite impressive indeed especially considering I’ve never seen an enhancement shaman that I couldn’t handle
well not every enhancement shaman in the world has 15 years of experience.
whats funny about this is that enhancement actually counter warlocks extremely effectively if you make use of the right totems, spells (interrupts) and manage to close the distance, in my experience the warlocks one saving grace is death coil as it doesn’t count as an actual ‘fear’ mechanic and therefore gets ignored by tremor totem, however if the grounding totem absorbs it, its pretty much GG.
now i have of course fought actually skilled warlocks who made use of their wands and/or pets to deal with my grounding and tremor totems, but in my experience these players are a rare commodity, and whenever a warlock manages to beat me i am legitimately impressed, since i find them one of the easiest classes to beat, next to shadow priests and druids (mages are kinda annoying due to their blinking, rooting, silencing, sheeping etc. etc. which makes me feel like they are toying with me, but i can still beat them if i manage to close the distance, purge their shields and get a lucky WF).
I still have my doubts that you’re able to solo carry a significant number of ABs and WSGs considering those usually get carried by either flag carriers or sneaky flag caps and not top fraggers.
well i never really said i was able to solo carry any bg’s, i said that horde (as a team) wins way more often and that my stats are usually on the up-and-up rather than on the down-and-down, but in WSG in particular im actually a pretty good flag carrier since pvp boots makes ghost wolf go from 30% to 55% speed and having more armor than druids and ways to mass slow groups of people chasing me, its not half bad, whereas druids can’t really slow people chasing them, but on the opposite spectrum are able to avoid roots, slows and polys while also being able to instantly travelform without having to spend 1-3 seconds casting.
theres advantages and disadvantages to both classes when it comes to flag carrying. but you’re absolutely right, this is the one bg where i am usually not concerned with kills, as that is not the point of the game as oppose to AB and AV.
Now that I find extremely suspect. I haven’t played in the bellow 50 brackets much but I’ve heard they’re completely full of Horde twinks so I can believe you about that.
alliance have twinks there too, an insane amount in fact. mostly hunters and mages (especially hunters!) like half of the alliance team is usually made up of twinked up hunters, and im not gonna lie, its incredibly effective. but with so many hunters in one team, it kinda means they can’t also have a lot of priests and druids, which means warlock dots are incredibly deadly (something i took advantage of every single bg) and that their melee classes (pala, warrior and rogue) ends up being screwed as said twink hunters run away when the fight starts looking like a losing one, all to preserve their precious stat sheet of course.
horde usually have some twink warriors and/or shamans as those two work very well together (at least in the +30 lvl brackets) and have some incredible itemization options for lower level bgs, but i didn’t see nearly as many hunters on horde as i did on the alliance, but of course there were some hunters. just like there were some rogues, mages, priests etc. on horde side.
I have played in the 50-59 a bit and I don’t think Alliance lost a single match. And this wasn’t because I’d be doing anything special or because I had amazing gear (I didn’t) but simply we had more and better geared 59s every match. This seems to be consistent with Horde players complaining heavily about this particular bracket being full of Alliance twinks. Yet your experience is the exact opposite? Very interesting indeed.
admittedly this was the one bracket i played the least as i was more interested in reaching lvl 60 than pvping at that point, so you’re probably right on this one, but everything below that was (in my experience) completely dominated by horde.
Well yea obviously if Death Coil fails the warlock is just dead against melee almost every time. Heck even a warrior can (sometimes) kill you in a 1v1 if he resists it. That’s basically the one thing you can’t ever afford to mess up against anyone especially melee. If it gets grounded or reflected it’s going to be and an instant loss. That’s why it’s so essential to have a totem stomping macro for your pet that prioritises grounding totems and you have to be very careful about shadow reflectors. Ofc if you just go for a Death Coil on the 1st GCD you’re not going to win against very many people. But if you avoid those 2 things and make sure tremor totems stay dead it’s usually an easy win. I guess my experience dealing with enhancement shamans is a bit lacking though considering how many of them are running around with The Unstoppable Force rather than an actually good weapon.
And of course there are lots of Alliance twinks in the lower brackets as well like there are Horde twinks at 59. I didn’t mean to say that there weren’t. It just seems to be the case that there’s more Horde twinks in the 10-49 range and more alliance ones in the 50-59 bracket. But like I said I didn’t play much in that level range other than 3 or so games on my warrior when he was 49 (and a complete trashcan gearwise). Also I’m fairly certain what you say about lots of shamans and warriors only applies to the 40-49 range because as far as I know warriors kinda suck before they get mortal strike.
As you folks can see, I`m alliance.
I also play a horde alt, and watch people who cant Premade desperately PuG AV, and wait an hour a time, each match, every match.
The horde need a bg they win a lot, because the poor sods have SUCH ques.
People say "Hordes fault, they rolled for racials, rot in your ques, i remember phase 2 "etc etc BUT, I made my Horde alts because i like orcs and their savage warrior culture, and i like undead and the deep awesomeness of a renegade scourge faction
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