AV preamdes and the Blizzard End User License Agreement

[Bodiesan-earthshaker]

Enough is a enough guys can’t you see we have concerned hordies here!

I don’t think the majority of the alliance players are happy that all rankers join premades and they are stuck in bad pugs that never win.

Personally I have not lost a single AV against an alliance PUG on my alt going to exalted the last 2 weeks.

[Bewarê-frostmane]

Even if they could, and they can’t, it would still be an exploit to circumvent the 5 player limit for premades in AV giving them an unfair advantage over players that doesn’t exploit the system, on both factions.

You seem to want to ignore the “solution” you keep asking for as well, for some reason.

I’ll quote it again for you too:

Well, premade formations and frequency of them falls under non-randomized occurrences , which can be filtered out via algorithms.
It’d impact queue times for everyone though.

Basically the probability of, let’s say, 30 people, to get into the same AV over, and over, and over, and over again in a short period of time or in a row, is next to impossible with these large matchmaking pools. Which means it’s caused by manipulation. It’s like how they detect cheaters in casinos.
The probability of only 2 people randomly ending up in the same team over and over and over again is more likely, so the improbability increases with more people that’s being matched up like that, relative to the size of the matchmaking pool.

There’s no need to ban anyone for it, they just need to input a probability metric.

Either that or just allow all players to queue as a full raid so we can get some proper realm wars going. Bempri has been suggesting something ok as well, which is to only let full premades queue for a BG, which is actually an ok social design as well as an ok matchmaking design. It’d remove the random element from team creations and limit it only to enemies, kind of like arenas in burning crusade when arena teams were still a thing. (I really miss those teams…)

[Marmelade-razorgore]

May be call it “smart use of game mechanics”, why use bad words

[Erectile-gandling]

Oh well your still having 100% win rate against pugs if only these pre mades would stop and you could have 100% across the board. Damn those pesky pre mades! And they would have gotten away with if too if it wasn’t for those meddling Horde.

[Bodiesan-earthshaker]

Oh well your still having 100% win rate against pugs if only these pre mades would stop and you could have 100% across the board. Damn those pesky pre mades!

When we Horde play, we have high rankers joining the pugs. Hardly no one is afk leeching, we are all motivated. Alliance pug are stuck with the worst and least motivated players when most rankers play premades.

It can’t be fun to be alliance and not exploit the AV queue right now…

I mean, do you think it’s an coincident the queues are so long? It’s obviously not fun for alliance that doesn’t exploit to play AV right now.

[Bewarê-frostmane]

@Marmelade-razorgore

May be call it “smart use of game mechanics”, why use bad words

Because every single exploit is a smart use of game mechanisms. The definition of exploitative behavior falls under impact and circumstances surrounding it, such as not everyone being able to do it while it grants the select few a competitive edge. And it does grant a competitive advantage when only the Russian pool (both factions), and the Alliance faction (both EU and NA) are the only ones able to form premades.
So the answer is simple, to either filter out the manipulation of metrics or to just let full chaos reign and allow full premades to queue for it.

One could argue

@Kaivax

Our goal is to make surgical adjustments that address some of the more prominent pain points and unfortunate behaviors, without cracking open the substance of the battleground.

is a reference to such things, but it’s the most they have said about it for years.

They deliberately don’t want to admit it’s a thing in clear language.

@Kaivax

There will no longer be a number in the name of the battleground in the “Join Battle” screen.

One can also argue this is also an attempt to “fix” the manipulation of the metrics, but as we all know it is highly ineffective.

[Erectile-gandling]

Aww that’s a load of hibbity jibbity bibbity swibbity.

[Bewarê-frostmane]

Aww that’s a load of hibbity jibbity bibbity swibbity.

Sorry, the kid playground is -> that way. 4chan is probably a place better suited for you.

[Erectile-gandling]

Aww sorry I forgot to bring my serious face today to discuss issues that matter. Like defining what’s an exploit and what isn’t, it’s funny how these no good pre made expoilters aren’t getting banned for it because that’s what usually happens to exploiters right?

[Bewarê-frostmane]

Aww sorry I forgot to bring my serious face today to discuss issues that matter. Like defining what’s an exploit and what isn’t, it’s funny how these no good pre made expoilters aren’t getting banned for it because that’s what usually happens to exploiters right?

By that logic, botting is also allowed. Even though they might ban one person for botting, as long as they let someone else bot by not punishing it, it would mean under your definition that it’s allowed for that person.

Sorry, troll elsewhere, child.

[Bodiesan-earthshaker]

it’s funny how these no good pre made expoilters aren’t getting banned for it because that’s what usually happens to exploiters right?

No one is expecting anyone to get banned when Blizzard is so unclear about the rules.

Step one would be for Blizzard to clarify the rules and/or make adjustments for AV queues.

[Erectile-gandling]

But people who bot do get banned.

People who was using auto clickers also get banned during the ban waves.

Try again.

[Bewarê-frostmane]

But people who bot do get banned.

People who was using auto clicker also get banned during the ban waves.

Try again.

Even though they might ban one person for botting, as long as they let someone else bot by not punishing it, it would mean under your definition that it’s allowed for that person.

Sorry, troll elsewhere, child.

Try again, kid.

[Marmelade-razorgore]

The definition of exploitative behavior falls under impact and circumstances surrounding it, such as not everyone being able to do it while it grants the select few a competitive edge.

Alliance haven’t been able to farm horde in every corner of world in p2, so all hordes exploied and have to be punished

[Erectile-gandling]

Just because they haven’t banned everyone who is botting it doesn’t mean they are not monitoring them and getting ready to ban them during the next ban wave.

Botters do get banned and I’ve yet to see a single person who is in a pre made getting banned because of it.

Try again, gramps.

[Bewarê-frostmane]

Alliance haven’t been able to farm horde in every corner of world in p2, so all hordes exploied and have to be punished

That’s a misunderstanding, that wasn’t a limitation by design. It was a social difference.

You’re just attempting to use clear sophistry to suit your narrative.

[Bewarê-frostmane]

Just because they haven’t banned everyone who is botting it doesn’t mean they are not monitoring them and getting ready to ban them during the next ban wave.

It doesn’t mean they will ban all the botters either. And according to your logic, them not banning a person for it means it’s allowed.

What you seem to be referring to is a lack of precedent next, but that’s not how you define rules. The rules are already defined, and it falls under its definition. Their lack of enforcing it doesn’t automatically mean it’s ok. That’s just a child’s logic.

[Bodiesan-earthshaker]

I’ve yet to see a single person who is in a pre made getting banned because of it.

I don’t want anyone to be banned for this. I want Blizzard to change the system.

[Marmelade-razorgore]

I just want to see the reason why alliance should not be able to win in AV, since it is close to impossible without premade in current game situation.

[Bewarê-frostmane]

I just want to see the reason why alliance should not be able to win in AV, since it is close to impossible in current game situation.

Technically speaking, it’s very much possible. But player skill and impact will always be the determining factor in the end, and this is not something that can be addressed without rated matchmaking.