Listen the days of stomping 5 alliance dudes with 40 Hord is over, New Meta for Alliance rankers is AV ( Cause of Que times) What you are playing against or more motivated players, and your are getting destroyed atm. That has resulted traumatized orc´s hording honor in your insert, Normally after the first push to IB. ( when games started with 4-8 alliance dudes You would see the same behavior ) 20% afkers. You keep talking abut premades, i normally do late night games and pick a random they are mostly full with people that actually knows what to do. after hard left or right - Boss, and get IB its like half the hord team goes back to the cave and stays there. You want to adress the real problem its abut late to roll back all the server with the unfair population ratio.
Horde has long narrow tonnel on their base. It is better than alliance brifge. But it doen’t matter because horde can stop alliance at triangle.
If blizzard buffed the archers horde would not need any player in defence. Because bowmen can handle without players help.
Elites on alliance base has only 12k HP (like 2 players) and hit about 200HP per strike. It is ridiculously “advantage”. You can run through them and they will stop chase.
And it is horde advantage. When horde do recall there are only alliance players will stop them. But when alliance do recall there are horde players and 4 horde guards.
You are right again! Horde easy defend bunkers against recheck. It is a horde advantage.
It is “biggest” things are very little in compare to horde triangle. Because 10 horde players can easy defend that triangle against full alliance raid. Alliance doesn’t have same triangle and can’t do any defence.
Yeah and u dont think the fact that alliance have instant queue have anything to do with that? You don’t think alliance would complain if they lost in 7min to 40man preamdes after 1h queue when it’s impossible for them to premade?
Some of the logic of the pro premade players here XD.
Premading an AV isn’t by game design, thus… if you’re premading - it is an exploit.
It’s not that hard to establish, either both sides should have premades or not at all.
Premades belong in WSG only, where it was intended.
Blizzard uses an extremly broad definition of exploit because they cba listing all the things they consider a bannable offence, and because they cant preemptivly think of all the things players will come up with. Just because something matches the criteria in the eula, doesnt mean blizzard considers it an exploit. So many examples of this, it would take a book to list all the actions made by players that match the eula definition of exploit, but are not considerd exploit by blizzard
If it’s not an intended mechanic, it’s an exploit 
My goal with this thread is to point out that premades in AV is by definition cheating, according to the rules. I’m not looking to get anyone banned or stuff like that, I just want Blizzard to make AV great again. Either make it not possible to premade in AV OOOOORRRRRRR make it possible to premade in AV for both factions. Just allow 40 man raid, OOOORRRRR ONLY allow 40man raids (only allow premades, would force people into social realm premades).
Horde advantage in AV is cheating rather than alliance premade. Make normal AV map and won’t be premade there!
Ehhh what? Care to elaborate?
Considering it is a relative system and that hordes therefore have zero competition with alliance, no, I don’t think that has anything to do with it.
He’s trolling you dude, just like you’re trolling me.
Yes. 10 characters
Anyone who claim Horde have a map advantage in AV have obviously never played old AV, that’s for sure.
And im arguing that the definition given in the eula is not sufficient to determine that it is infact an exploit.
Ok fine, please answer these two questions:
- People that use voice chat or any other method to queue at the same time to enter the same AV battleground with more than 5 players working together as a premade. Is this expressly authorized by Blizzard?
- Do you think it gives them an unfair advantage to people that do not do this or can’t do this?
I played old AV and it was terrible (with impenetrable minefields). I admit that AV without minefields is better than with it.
Classic is a terrible game, and that’s what makes it fun.
Until players get banned for it, it is authorized by blizzard. Yes it gives an unfair advantage, but then so does alliance getting mindcontrolled in org to get wcb buff, hunters soloing dmt, jumping on rocks to evade mobs to skip packs in instances, using eagle eye to scout for black lotus, … all these meet the criteria in eula, yet are not considerd exploit because blizzard has not acted against people doing this
Eh wa, ehhh what?
I have one word for that comment, absurd.
How come ALL discussion end with Straw Man Arguments? It’s weird. Do you guys not know what a Straw Man argument is?
Erm yes. Getting mc to get wcb clearly not intended by game. Clearly exploit by eula definition. But in blizzards eyes not exploit because they dont stop players from doing it