Because neither of these needed a Forsaken fleet? I haven’t seen other Horde ships there either.
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There are forsaken ships at harbour in dazar’alor.
Not to mention that massive forsaken ship Sylvanas has in 8.1
Edit - and oh I never knew that that was how she got her ships. COol.
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Which I already aknowledged. The Forsaken fleet must have truly fallen low if it has only two ships at its disposal.
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From what we have seen.
You know what the writers are like, if need Be they’ll give the forsaken plenty More ships
Edit - and By if need be I mean if they need to reinforce Sylvanas/Nathanos plot armour or to try and make the horde look Cool and powerful again.
This cinematic actually shows that the Horde doesn’t even have ships to transport their own champions anymore.
0:20
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There only isn’t enough room on that ship for the champions because of Sylvanas’ ego and Ashvanes belly.
(Mainly Sylvanas ego tho)
And I explained that the context here points at what I meant by stalemate. Saurfang is literally saying that having either side take action against the other is futile or simply not advisable given its instant reprisal.
The stalemate bit is delivered in a context that already points at either side suffering mirrored losses if fight erupted.
It’s not as if one side was wrestled into inaction.
Saurfang isn’t arguing about either sides inability or unwillingness to fight, he is arguing about it in a context that points at both sides having equal footing and strength matched in both continents. His words.
So no, the context already points at a stalemate as in opposing forces under equal conditions.
I never argued about numbers.
Correction, I did at first, but was willing to give that point and instead argued about strength.
A numerical advantage isn’t as important if the strength is actually matched.
Yes, but context here points at it:
Neither side is mentioned as having a notable sway over the other. Saurfang mentions stalemate in a sentence that also addresses that BOTH sides were strong, and BOTH sides had forces placed around the world that would suffer instant reprisal if any other settlement was attacked.
Sylvanas won’t even allow the champions of the Horde onto her ship… Probably her ego takes too much place.
And so that is yet another “Don’t like Sylvanas” moment ![:slight_smile:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
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But you don’t know what stalemate actually means so go look in that dictionary of yours and find a more suitable word please.
You literally compared the Horde with the Taliban in your answering post. What the hell mate? Further more, you are still arguing out of a dictionary. Your own hypothesis works only if we ignore every possible lore nuance and developer statement, yet you vehemently paint it as truth. Even if 8.0 denies it.
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Perhaps if Sylvanas hadn’t destroyed the largest source of lumber in the entire world, the Horde would be able to build more ships.
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What??? I didn’t. Where the hell did you get that from?
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Like, here? Seriously?
Probably time to let this die. The OP isn’t invested in it, and just posted it as another “Woe is the Night Elves” thread, people are actually ignoring in game events, we have bizarre headcanon about a portion of Night Elves being able to defeat a united Horde Army, and even though the Horde are losing, some people can’t decide whether this is Horde Bias or Proof of Alliance supremacy. Shall we just chalk this up as another Night Elf whinge thread?
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wasn’t me the one that brought them as an example. I just said that both collectives aren’t comparable. Was I wrong?
Besides, why is this relevant exactly? What’s that to do with the argument about the context Saurfang referenced when he said both sides were at a stalemate?
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If you’d have read Ashenbrands post you probably would know why it’s relevant and you’d also probably understand that he/she used it as an example of an actual stalemate to try and show you what one actually is.
Despite me explaining twice and frozen giving you four dictionary definitions. And myself giving you the context of which the definition of such word arose.
Why do you still not understand?
It isn’t relevant to me if you are wrong, but don’t like freak into my face with “WHERE DID YOU GET THAT FROM!?!?!?” when you literally have a sentence comparing the Horde and the Taliban.
Further more, I do not see why you need a comparison.
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I already answered that one. I said that the Taliban example isn’t comparable here, and the rest of the argument made is nullified by the same sentence Saurfang said.
Bringing up now how I apparently compared the Horde with the Talibas seems more like some sort of deterrence.
I’ll clarify it again: Ashenbrand example doesn’t apply here because Saurfang gave us further context regarding what he meant by stalemate. One that had him acknowledge that both sides were strong, both sides had armies, and both sides had roughly the same amount of settlements.
That’s why Ashenbrand theory about ‘uneven’ stalemates doesn’t apply here. The character already points at having both sides on equal footing regarding the most relevant aspects used to measure their strength.
Again, context and wording.
And most important of all: never compared the Horde with the taliban, just pointed out how the situation of both collectives WASNT comparable.
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But then then being on equal footing isn’t a stalemate it is just equal footing.
It isn’t a stalemate as they could still make moves to progress forward.
Edit - it’s not a theory, it’s the actual definition of the word. Didn’t realise you were a language theorist who also had to refer to dictionary’s. Sorry I’m wrong. I must be. Not like I’m speaking to a brick wall at all. Nope.
Threads like this remember me of vanilla WoW… Alterac Valley…
Endless fights to turn the fight in favour of own faction… oh stop…
its about like Alterac post vanilla… Endless fights to describe that the other faction has much shorter way/better towers/terrain advantage…
Or simply: The immovable object VS the unstoppable force