Fair enough. Just was curious.
What salad of big words. If any argument are weak, it’s the ones Prae is making. The only reason I can think of that he can’t find a group is that he’s looking for a specific key at a specific level and he’s on aliance which has a much smaller M+ comminuty. And when he finally finds the key and doesn’t get in, he assumes it’s all because of rio and dismisses all other reasons.
No inventions needed. And he’s shown more than once that he’s likely not a very pleasent person to be around.
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I will just remark that this “he is making it himself difficult” is in the world of RIO and it is exactly the point that RIO puts undue burden onto people wanting to do completely routine things. It’s Blizzard’s fault. They failed people like Praetorian once when they de-facto forced PVP players to PVE due to reward structure, and then the second time when they allowed this RIO BS to prosper due to their too-open armory and the absence of their own more sane ratings.
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It is not a RIO problem that in 2 hours there are only 3 keys available that he wants to join.
it is not a RIO problem that he does not want to use his own key.
It is not a RIO problem that he does not just want to join an M+ community and make friends.
It is not a RIO problem that he is not adding blizzard-friends to his list after doing a dungeon.
What a soup of disconnected thoughts… See, I can also play this game.
Anyway, I thought I’d reply to the thrust of your post below but then found that there’s nothing to reply to. You just say again that Praetorian is wrong and you are right. GG.
You’re slowly going down to Praetorian’s level of arguing. Dismissing other factros that might play a much larger role than score. But he won’t tell us that because that would mean admitting that rio is not the evil incarnate that you and him are making it out to be.
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I giggled.
You know, I will answer this because you are mostly wrong without seeing it.
Point by point:
“It is not a RIO problem that in 2 hours there are only 3 keys available that he wants to join.” – this problem was created by RIO because RIO, due to being BS, dramatically reduces the number of people who do M+
“it is not a RIO problem that he does not want to use his own key.” – he wants to use his key, but his own key is not enough.
“It is not a RIO problem that he does not just want to join an M+ community and make friends.” – it is, because without RIO he would not have to join such a community and “make friends”. His gameplay is PVP, it’s different from M+. It’s Blizzard who push PVPers into M+. And there, RIO creates no end of frustration. Imagine if you had to play checkers to do WoW. Try “making friends” in checkers to run your keys, see how great that feels.
“It is not a RIO problem that he is not adding blizzard-friends to his list after doing a dungeon.” – he perhaps does, but his friends are PVPers. PVPers aren’t interested in running keys.
RIO is a problem. Made possible by Blizzard. I am not sure how you don’t see it.
Nah you are making claims that you can not back up.
I make a different statement; There are more players playing M+ because of rio, since without there is no purpose outside a weekly run.
Something i also can not back up.
Well, the alternatives are not RIO or no RIO and nothing else instead. I said what is needed - a proper solo queue. With it, M+ would be attended by tons more people than now, absolutely. But I know you are not against that.
And just in case, I can back up everything I said above because I also am a PVPer like Praetorian, I know where he is coming from without him even saying half of it.
And you talk about inventing arguments? There is nothing that would indicate this claim to be true.
This is fair. Using one’s own key isn’t always the answer.
How is RIO to blame for Blizzard’s failure to create a reasoanble PvP gearing system? I had to grind PvP to get my BiS PvE essences and I’m not here blaming 2100 rated players not inviting me and boosting me to 2100 so I can get my 8 weekly Battlefield Furors for my R3 C&S or get my BiS 475 Azerite piece that only comes from arena. I blame Blizzard for making me, a purely PvE focused player, do rated PvP for my BiS PvE stuff, which is just as bad if it’s the other way around. Was I frustrated? Yes. Did I come on the forum crying that I had to do it? No. Do I think it’s stupid either way? Yes.
I’m sure he isn’t the only PvPer in the world who needs to run some M+. I’ve ran my required PvP with my PvE friends who don’t actively play PvP either. And it’s not like PvE and PvP players are mortal enemies who must never become friends.
The creators of rio are just regular guys who tried to fill a void Blizzard left in after creating M+, and the community felt like it had to be filled. It caught on and has become very popular for a reason.
Until they discover that their chances of the key going well are slim to none.
ROFLMAO, if you think the presence of RIO is not reducing the number of players in M+ dramatically, you sure didn’t think of this enough. RIO does not add anything, it only subtracts. It subtracts at every step, this snowballs. It absolutely reduces the number of players. And as I say, the alternatives are not even RIO or no RIO and nothing else instead of it. The way to go is a solo queue.
Yes, and that reason is this is a simple number readily available, it’s fast, and Blizzard had no rating of their own. That’s all there is to it.
I am not blaming the creators of RIO. They just want a little fame and a little money from ads, that’s fine. But the reason the addon is popular is not because it is good, it’s because it plays to people’s weakness of going for what’s simple and because Blizzard are stupid enough to let it slide even though this is turning people off from M+ and from the game.
I think it is actually way round that RIO has given more players initiative to do M+. It really is a glorified armoury. As i believe have shown several times here.
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Your arguments are going downhill a lot faster than I first thought. You have no evidence to support your claim other than your own opinion, and as PvPer on top of it…
Cool. With RIO, what percent of players do more than one M+ per week?
Cool. Without RIO, what percent of players do more than one M+ per week?
So, you don’t know. Can you theorize?
I said above that what is needed is not just no RIO, but solo queue. But even with just no RIO, the number of people will be higher because the number people it erased is much greater than the number of people it brought. Because the ratings form a pyramid, the erasing happens at the bottom levels that are wider and the bringing happens at top levels that are much narrower.
So you don’t know either. Which was whole point I needed to prove. You dislike RIO and toss around accusations just because you cannot see it really just is an armory, just in-game, and few extra steps on a website.
But carry on blame everyone else, but self.
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No, I actually have an idea. It seems like you don’t. The number of people who do more than one run per week is less than 15%. And that’s a high estimate.