I already wrote in my previous comment. You are just saying that, because of RIO, you can’t get in to group. But you never explained, why don’t you make the group yourself with people from you guild and gain rio, gear and pushes that way?
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I didn’t say that “I can’t get into a group”. I get into groups just fine thanks. (now anyway).
But that is what many people say to me.
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If you are 400 ilvl that is probably holding you back more than raider io.
People don’t really look that much at raider io for 3s and 4s. Whereas 400 ilvl is pretty low these days, bit low even last season tbh. Now emissaries are handing out 415 gear so lots of people, even casuals, are probably hitting 415-420 pretty easily and you’re competing with them for spots in groups.
Most likely they just had a whole bunch of people signing up with better gear. So if you want to blame anything i’d blame the rampant gear inflation and not an addon that stops people who dribble on their keyboard from sneaking into +10 groups on their ilvl alone.
Anyway, as has been said a million times in these type of threads, if you are pugging and running with complete strangers then ofc they are going to want some sort of measure to show you aren’t going to waste their time.
If you want to never have to deal with raider io, or play in a more forgiving environment, then find a nice friendly guild. Or join the community that was created specifically for that reason.
There are options and ways to get what you want, banning an addon isn’t going to solve anything. You won’t magically get a group because an addon stops working. I can’t even fathom the reasoning behind that argument.
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Blizzard can’t really do that because the addon doesn’t query the data directly from their servers, the data is provided with the addon and with that said RIO services pulls the data from the servers through web API which Blizzard actually provides so if anything they need to block the M+ APIs but no worries there are workaround to this should Blizzard ever decide to block it and trust me you wouldn’t like it. 
I am sick of seeing this addon and website scoring system holding players back and preventing them from playing the end-game content.
Let me rephrase that.
I am sick of seeing this addon and website scoring system differentiating players that high chances are knowing what to do in the dungeon/raid than players that barely know what to do but do want a carry for free.
The problem with this logic is that people that don’t know what to do could hold back players that actually know what to do and want to push keys but instead they would end up with a depleted key… this goes for Mythic raids as well.
@Hepius
Blizzard can do something to block the addon/website functionality.
For one thing they can stop the website from taking data from the wow armoury via json scripts. Yes!
The other thing they could do is stop showing dungeon progress on the armoury pages.
What do you think I wouldn’t like? you presume to know me?
You paraphrase my words poorly, and take them out of context.
The problem with the raider-io logic is:
1, like I said it scores dungeons, not raids (dungeon-io) lol
2, It forces players to play dungeons at a lower level than their capabilities, and so they are affectively boosting other players who are not capable of higher dungeons. Those who are being boosted at the bottom-end because of this^, then don’t do so well when they go to higher level dungeons (with their boosted score). They “break keys”. Most keys are broken in the mid difficulty levels.
So in order to get a good enough score to do higher level dungeons, you have to boost others, and lower theirs and other’s enjoyment of the game in a round-about way. Strange logic.
The thing is, there are so many players on this forum who will instantly write a book in order to defend the raider-io addon and website system, and few who speak out against them. That doesn’t mean there are few who believe that this addon is bad for the game, it just means they aren’t here talking about it. When they do come to talk about it, as I said before, their opinions are down-trodden, or dissected by trolls in quote posts.
The addon only contributes to the ever-growing elitist attitude within the game, which stops casual players from bothering to play. This attitude is eroding this game’s communities and player-base. End-game used to be for casual players, it is no longer casual friendly.
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There is nothing that blocks casual players from doing any content. You can pick up your own group, your key and get +10 weekly without any raider. io. By doing that you will gain rio points naturaly, which gets you invited in PuG.
Also there are many casual players, which can form their own casual groups.
Addon is only a tool. Players want to have the highest succes chance in pushing or finishing the key. Rio tells them the probability. If rio was banned, then it would be item level which would decide (and that would be far more stupid, because lower ilv can provide more DPS (stats, traits, sockets).
Also how would you want to get higher ilv if you were rejected for low ilv? The same way you get raider. io if you are rejected. By picking up your own group or progressing lower keys.
are you implying that this addon is one sided?
No, it shows io info when you mouse over a group you might otherwise want to join.
Therefore players can “TRY” to make their own groups, but they will sit there for hours without applicants, or just fail and have people quitting, or take hours to actually finish the dungeon.
Unless they are lucky enough to get someone join who is boosting them in order to get a better io score. See my last post for why that is not a good thing.
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Find some friends. I’m sure you’ll find plenty of like minded people who hate rio and want to just do mythic keys in peace.
Or do you own mythic keys.
The addon is simply an excuse. If there wasn’t rio, there would be some other form of method for people to only invite those who they think are up for the task. Maybe an achievement. Or gear check to see if you have mythic dungeon gears before entering, etc.
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not everyone in wow has friends, that is why they are playing wow, because they don’t have friends. lol
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All the addon does is display the data and nothing more than that and like I said there are workarounds to gather the data without these services by having people collecting the data in-game and uploading it to RIO which would be less than accurate and people still would use it over nothing, they would have to block inspection APIs, Achievements API, Journal and Dungeons API in-game and other things to prevent addon authors from making workarounds to a point that it will not only break other addons that has nothing to do with the Mythic+ score but people will start judging players based on their health and ilvl again.
What do you think I wouldn’t like? you presume to know me?
I don’t know you but I know what you want and it’s enough for me to make an assumption based on the context we are talking here.
like I said it scores dungeons, not raids (dungeon-io) lol
It doesn’t need to score raids, it shows your raid progress as well.
It forces players to play dungeons at a lower level than their capabilities, and so they are affectively boosting other players who are not capable of higher dungeons.
lol… that logic.
So in order to get a good enough score to do higher level dungeons, you have to boost others, and lower theirs and other’s enjoyment of the game in a round-about way. Strange logic.
Strange indeed. 
The thing is, there are so many players on this forum who will instantly write a book in order to defend the raider-io addon and website system, and few who speak out against them. That doesn’t mean there are few who believe that this addon is bad for the game, it just means they aren’t here talking about it. When they do come to talk about it, as I said before, their opinions are down-trodden, or dissected by trolls in quote posts.
Well, that’s a baseless assumption and a false generalization on your part and an opinion so I can’t really say anything about it.
The addon only contributes to the ever-growing elitist attitude within the game, which stops casual players from bothering to play. This attitude is eroding this game’s communities and player-base. End-game used to be for casual players, it is no longer casual friendly.
Sure, this is the reason we have communities both on Battle.Net and Discord as well as guilds and whatnot just for M+.
Yes, well they just protected /who functions to prevent people taking population statistics with the censusplus addon. That has stopped guild recruitment addons and some other addons from working as they previously did. Some work-arounds have been made yes. But their functionality is now limited. To some extent, players are now forced to communicate more to achieve the things which those addons would achieve…
What is wrong with forcing players to communicate more in order to make dungeon groups?
Group title: Want to finish in time, whisper leader.
P1"hello, have you done a dungeon on this level before?"
P2"no, but I have done it 1 level lower"
P1"ok, join us" sends invite
As opposed to “o, raider-io says that player hasn’t done it before, decline”
And since you have to run the desktop app in order to keep raider-io up to date anyway, which then only takes data from 3 to 6 hours ago, and then only if you logged out recently and updated your profile on their website…
taking a quick look to inspect a player in-game would be far more accurate than raider-io addon is. So don’t question my logic when the logic of using raider-io is so greatly flawed. It serves some lazy people and elitists well at the expense of the casual player’s progress.
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It also tells you
So it works the same way. Addons are here to help you and save your time in most cases. This is no exception.
It tells you everything. How many runs were completed in time. What is the best run for dungeon. If the player is good in tyra or forti weeks. If he has stable group or he is pugging often…
The thing is. From certain key level, it i impossible to boost. If you have anchor in +17, you will be dragged out of time. So player, who completed that dungeon and some others on that level is probably capable of doing +18.
you think it is just my opinion, but I have spoken to hundreds of players who think that the raider-io addon hinders their progress and that it should be scrapped or blocked in some way. Believe me or don’t that is your choice.
Doesn’t matter what you say, I will not change my view of this addon. Although it no longer hinders my own progress, I am not so closed minded. I can see it hinders other player’s progress and I don’t see that it helps many people at all, in a way which they cannot help themselves.
The Cons of this addon overweight the Pros of it.
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Press X to DOUBT. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Only antisocial people hate this addon Either overcome your weakness or live with it. Addon is great.
And how many from that players behave like this?
https://imgur.com/a/t6HATai
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Fixed that for you 
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It tells you about the group they ran with, it does not reflect the personal progress in the way which people try to claim.
I run a guild with over 900 characters from over 600 accounts. Call that antisocial?
I don’t have a weakness here, a weakness would be for me to reverse myself and join you all in pretending that this addon is good. While it is actually bad for the game.
That isn’t how quotes work - it isn’t good to troll here.
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People care more about a magical number instead of a person.
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I am starting to think that you are the only troll here. Not everybody around you
- You say that people should communicate more while forming up groups, while refusing the fact that people can form their own group even without group finder
- You cannot underestand that without rio, there would be another measurement
- You are saying that RIO proves nothing, while suggesting inspecting the player in game.
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The problem is people being people, some people lie about their experience but if you think this sort of communication isn’t happening today you’re wrong it does and I don’t know what’s your experience with people but not all of them are elitists just because they do high keys or want to push keys, they just want to have a better chance and have people that are on par with their level of play.
As opposed to “o, raider-io says that player hasn’t done it before, decline”
So a world without data is better? where players have to rely on statements and end up with high chances of depleted keys…
I guess the issue is with people who do low keys and ask for high RIO scores and not so much with RIO itself but then it’s their key so dunno…
I completely understand why people dislike RIO but then I can’t really see a better alternative.
taking a quick look to inspect a player in-game would be far more accurate than raider-io addon is.
That’s yet another false assumption because some players gets carried so they have high gear and such so what? it means nothing but RIO actually shows you how many times they have done a run in time or not, what dungeon level, the affixes and item level you done it with and such so you can make a much better judgement about players.