Communication is pretty much required to be successful group in these cases, however you are right, but that could also be due to language barriers as well, and this is more common in the EU probably then in the US i am sure some one can confirm.
Sounds like twitter when trying to appeal and finding out you got banned due faulty system, after like 3 appeals only for you to be flagged again after they remove suspension, for suspicious behavior.
Participation might actually go up. They’ve fixed one of the two big issues of this season. Enjoy your ban
I dont think anyone is questioning the “legality” of these bans though. What is being questioned is how vague it is. It is unknown where the threshold is, what is and isnt allowed, and on top of that the people that actually brick keys are more often than not, not the leavers but the ones not doing their part.
They get punished by over timing the key. These guys that are getting banned never get punished and wave the rules cos they claim bad player can suck my *** and just blame them for the “good player” leaving.
But, do they really support it? I beg to differ…
These were both in place before M+ was even a concept, much less an actual game mode… So, if they can inevitably only ever go south, where are the millions of bans 10 years later? 
Because people as a whole, and especially the “famous 10%”, are useless [censored] that can and will always go right up to the line over and over and over and over again, forcing you to redefine the line to something even more restrictive solely becaus the normal peope are still rightfully complaining about the [censored]s acting like [censored]s…
The real solution to this problem is actually a no brainer… but simultaneously chock full of violence, moral conflicts, and other uncomfortable discussions about the value of one human live versus another. 
And TBH I fully support this stance. Blizzard is in no way responsible for people not vetting their group members but just inviting based on (usually) score and role alone… why should they be tasked to “solve” a problem that we as a community both caused and we still have all the power to avoid??
For example, I never have problems with dusruptive players, leavers, or trolls… Because I don´t play with randoms
The issue is the underlying assumption thet M+ was ever intended to be completed by 5 competely random people with no further communication… Blizzard, however, never made nor supported that assumption, and they can hardly be held to fault for our mental insufficiencies…
You have to say it in chat. There’s already been a rule in place that you’re not allowed to grief M+ groups by leaving. If they truly banned some people for it then it could’ve only been the ones dumb enough to announce why they left.
We don’t have the data required to avoid the problem
This does little to help with the root causes of the M+ woes.
Keystone depletion, dungeon randomness, lack of loot determinism and levels of mechanic unforgiveness.
Mechanics oneshotting you is the only reason M+ still has healers left.
Oneshotting cannot be healed though. You have to be above 0% health to be healed
Exactly. That’s why I like it. Otherwise everything would be a healer mechanics. Now if a DPS fails and gets oneshot I don’t feel bad at all.
But as this guy says, all this encourages preferring classes with better interrupts and CC over others. Even at key levels where minmaxing is not needed
No, we absolutely do, most of us merely choose not to look at it, be it out of ignorance of where to find it (RaiderIo, Warcraftlogs, etc), or our pf pure laziness.
And BTW I´m not saying i`m any better, I also don´t check out someone´s last 2-3-4-5-6 runs before inviting, though I know others in my guild that do stil PuG m+ that do actively look at ever run available from in the last week before inviting someone. No logs, no invite, because they´re obviously trying to hide somewthing, and even if not, it´s too much of a risk. And as a result they rarely have problems timing 12s, 13,s I think Kert is pushing 15s now…
But I´m also not on the forums every second day complaining about leavers /griefers /other insufferables ruining my game experience even when they do, because I understand that it´s just as much my fault as it is theirs… thy´re still a [censored], but I allowed to to happen by not doing due diligence.
So their failure to perform means others that do perform adequately should be punished regardless of whether they leave or stay?
I have no problem with people that leave keys with the intention of griefing, getting banned.
However those that leave because others are performing subpar should not be punished for that.
Additionally, there is no info on if you can also get banned for leaving your own key. When i pug i only play my own key, its my key, if i want to leave i should be allowed to whenever i want. Now im not saying that this isnt the case, because we dont know.
Id just like some clarity on that part.
The root of that problem is the surplus of DPS allows leaders to cherry pick whatever comp they want within 5 minutes of waiting, whereas even as the least preferred healer spec you still get invites anywhere instantly.
Shame on blizzard
They improved toxicity in m+ by introduce 15s death penalty and now they will punish people who want to leave a rigged key?
The blue post is pinned in this forum in case people aren’t aware
Again, mechanical system cannot solve human problem. Leaving M+ is purely human behavior, not a mechanically measurable issue.
This simple solution can have several results:
More people will join M+, because they think people in his group are less likely to abandon now.
Less people will join M+, because he thinks now he will be punished if he wants to leave a key now.
People will always find other ways to avoid punishment. (e.g. instead of leaving/abandoning a key, they will simply afk in a dungeon.)
This is very unlikely to solve the problem.
Fair point but at a certain key level, loot and weekly just isn’t really relevant to people anymore.
Ouch… wouldn’t even have started the key with that tbh.
Absolutely agree here. It wasn’t unfair at all.
I doubt that’d be the case.
Yup noticed that after i made this thread. I almost always neglect to even glance at the pinned posts because they seem to just blend in with the CoC threads and such.