But this is it right… At a certain point, you only do the keys in hope of RIO (and of course myth vault). But are you willing to suffer through 100+ death runs only for a vault spot when you can leave and find a new key?
Imagine the rest of the group says “No lets stick it through for completion” but all you do is wipe on random mobs, and bosses over and over… By the design you’re suggesting you can either be held hostage or risk getting reported for “intentionally leaving” and disrupting their vault run.
The entire M+ system currently says “If you brick a key, you might as well leave” because the rewards are reduced so substiantially, but people expect the playerbase to behave differently?
Yeah that’s a good point. The only thing I can think of is to actually add a value to the “completion” tick box. Make the the “weekly no leaver” an actual function (unless voted by all as impossible to complete). If this function isn’t ticked, then I free for all, which brings back to ground 0 I guess.
They are getting punished by being forced to stay in a key they cannot gain anything from.
But from your use of language i can already see you are incapable of having a civil discussion about this, so this is probably not going anywhere.
While I think that some action was required - I think just randomly banning people for leaving a premade group is certainly the worst possible way.
Of course its annoying if someone leaves, it wastes everybodys time.
But even so, you signed up for a premade group. Yes thats the only way of doing m+, but premade group always were by design ‘if you do that - its your responsibility and you cant blame anyone’.
Idk, I’m rarely affected by leaving, but at a certain keylevel - you’re not doing it for the gear. Whats there to stay for? piss poor 5 crests? depleted key that wont give any score?
Idk, this solution seems to be the most unintuitive ‘we gotta do something’ kneejerk reaction that you could have possibly gotten.
If someones dps is suddenly too low to progress the key, they dont interrupt, dont use defensives instead of leaving? You can report them for griefing but all they did was match the level of at least one other player in the group, do you report that one as well?
This would probably be better… But as I see it, currently the game doesn’t really “incentivize” you for stay for a bricked key unless you want the vault.
And lets be honest, healers and tanks (And some FOTM dps) gets in keys very easy, so for those players there is little to no incentive so stick it out for 1 hour+ instead of leaving and applying to a new group.
And if they are now punished for leaving, they may not dare to join pugs, i.e. even less healers and tanks pugging
EDIT:
And I know, this may not be how Blizzard intends the punishment, but when it’s this vague, it does leave room for fear. The US thread about this also has people going “Okay I am done with pugging”, so regardless whether people act out of fear or facts, they react.
OT: i think that if Blizzard doesnt clearly state where the boundaries for leaving are, and they probably wont, this is going to have big consequences, like runs being turned into a competition who can last until someone else has had enough and leaves.
To be fair, I think the opposite is going to happen.
From the discussion the last day, I have not seen ONE person complain about getting banned. If this continues, it leads me to believe that the bans were really for EXTREME cases, that could have also be banned for other reasons (toxicity, sabotaging, etc).
In that case, I believe that things will return to normal like this post never happened, since majority of leaves in m+ are pretty rare ragequits.
I wouldnt be surprised if this was the case, but id like to imagine that Blizzard wouldnt resort to a fear tactic and instead be honest that they banned for reasons other than leaving.
Not meant to say that they banned them for negativity and said it was for leaving. I meant to say that they banned serial leavers that their behavior COULD get interpreted as sabotaging.
Not implying a fear tactic, just like a “heads up” that leaving REALLY often and to ruin others players time, might fall under the category of sabotaging.
This is probably for really extreme cases because a certain forum regular blood elf who was in the past vocal about leaving disappointing groups, seems to be fine atm
And that is exactly the reason I believe nothing is gonna change.
Since they provide no information on the “background”, “methodology” and “specifics” of the bans, then all we can go around is what happened to us.
If no one comes out and complains about being “banned”, then every single one will go “I have not been banned, so probably what I have been doing was correct” and continue like nothing ever happened.
. The other thread is the one you started about affixes.