Still no argumentation. No Reasoning behind your says. It’s so hard to have a good conversation. You only say, Survival GOD, Arms Meh, Outlaw second god.
For me you are bias, but if you could explain, then maybe we could actually exchange ideas.
i would have to start explaining from the beginning and it would end up in an insanely long guide on why these classes poop on everybody else while nobody wants to read it.
Just check the ladder it’s right there. Should give you a good idea of whats good right now
Bruh, that doesn’t mean sh**. It’s not because Arms has a few difficulties vs Survival and Outlaw that it means that it’s automatically worse than those 2.
An Unholy can sh** on Afflocks, does it mean it’s better than Affli on the ladder ? Hell no.
naw am gonna lock myself out of this thread, this is getting too stupid anyway.
Good, since you don’t contribute at all.
Enh can be B at best. It has dmg, but the ones above have better tools, def cds, mobility and cc.
Just to make it understanding:
Survival/Resto has only 2 or at max 3 comps they can struggle to win and even then the win chance for the resto/sv is still about 70/30 and these comps are sub/holy, rdruid/outlaw and dh/rsham
Arms on the other hand assuming they play with their best healer (rdruid) has absolutely no chance of beating outlaw teams, hunter teams and struggle vs ww teams without priest and rogue mage. On top of that they can also lose to ferals. This is not god tier for me when a class has so many matchups where they can still end up losing.
I truly hate warriors and still I think they’re just not good in 2v2 the class just doesn’t hold well with dampening and is lacking mobility to kill resto druids. good resto druids can literally live until 90%+ damp against warriors.
What makes a class god tier in 2s is consistency to beat the majority of ladder games without sniping and this is exactly what survival is.
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Yeah I knew I missed something. I’d put Feral as highest A or lowest S. It deals well with Outlaw but loses hard to both Hunters.
And Havoc imo is on par with Ret or maybe a bit better.
Sorry Thobane but you are clueless. You are adding some “difficulty” factor that isn’t as important as you think.
That’s already a better explanation on the subject. Ty for the reasoning.
But if you put Survival and / or Outlaw in God tier, why would you put Arms 2 tier below ? ( not saying that you personally did it )
Arms deserves minimum S tier, and for me it’s a bit higher than that, But I understand the reasoning behind Survival and Outlaw. Altough I don’t think that Tier lists should be made for the top 0.01%. You can’t compare Bicmex with for exemple a 2K2 rated Survival, They play the same spec but it’s really not that simple. And I think personally that 2k-2K4 rating, Arms is always going to be better than Survival, just because of the simplicity of the class.
Brodanyo, I’m not clueless, since i’ve made the tier list and already explained how I rated the classes. I made the tier list, with a few factors in mind. It’s not like I’m 100% wrong on everything because clearly, even Supatease put Arms in S tier, at the very top. So I don’t get what you are saying.
Imo havoc is better than ret. I put feral in S 1 for the simple reason that I almost always lose to him, like 8/10, especially in combination with a priest. I can play vs all the other mentioned specs, but with feral, ofc if he is a good player, it seems to me that I have no chance. Whatever I do, I go on healer, I go on him, dispell this and that etc, the result is more or less almost always the same.
Arms is definitely S tier but is just struggeling to win important matchups basically anything with a resto druid is free lose for Arms because they cannot kill or catch druids and going on the dps is difficult because of thorns and when dampening gets high they are basically useless for 12 seconds when thorns is being used which makes them almost stand no chance to make reliable pressure.
Outlaw is definitely S tier aswell because they lose to survival/resto and rogue mage normally. They can also have a hard time vs windwalkers from my own experience.
The only thing I would swap is Arms and Survival in the tier list the rest is okay. When considering low rating rdruid/hunter still has a very easy skill floor which means just how strong the comp itself is, they will get rating no matter if they play like Bicmex or not.
Tier lists around 0.01% although are usually the best source for people to look how their specc/comp is doing in 2v2 and with what they might find problems with or not and usually if you cannot climb then it is on the person individually to improve to give the tier list justice.
For example these forums are haunted by a dh who has gotten 2200 and tries to blame everything on the game why he cannot climb higher but little did he know that he as an individual player does not deserve to be any higher than what he achieved. And while there is a dh/rsham team on 3100 it shows that with correct gameplay your class is definitely viable to get high rating though it might take more effort. And this is why tier lists are usually good for. You can look up yourself how your class is doing and if you are struggeling you try to find the correct informations to improve your gameplay and thus you’ll improve because you cannot blame the game on your mistakes
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i pretty much said the same thing i just did not go into detail like him.
you cant make tier lists for duelist players. Doesnt make any sense.
has nothing to do in tier lists.
no but you were pretty wrong on the top 5 specs which is pretty much the most important ones.
supatease is the last person to trust when talking about 2vs2 melee tier lists
Personal Opinnion
God Tier : Arms ,Survival
S Tier : Ret, WW
A Tier : Sub, Enhancment, Feral
B TIER : Frost , Unholy,Assassination
C tier : Fury
yeah defo you did great explaining those things, I guess you might be right for the god tier to change places.
Broxiz, you are something. You did not explain anything, hence the conversation can’t evolve.
Cutiepie was good in his explanation and reasoning, so I can give credit to his ideas. While you just are saying that Arms is nowhere near S tier. Which is blatantly false imo.
Yeah so we can’t trust commentators nor pro’s. Pro’s also put arms in s tier, so that’s also bs?
Just use your wall every 20 sec Mr warlock
Why the f are ya’ll arguing subjective opinions on Christmas eve? Hello?
how do you even play vs outlaw as warrior? Tunneling outlaw is kinda counter productive cause he will have like perma evasion uptime and trying to kill rdruid you will just keep chasing and deal no preassure 
what are you not understanding when i wrote this:
arms is strong but survival is just way stronger because as people explained to you arms is getting countered by atleast 3 specs(ww, combat, hunters) in a bracket that is 90% about combs.
Just accept that you dont have any knowledge about that topic and move on.
So your tier list is jus
Good. Where are the casters countering Arms though sadge.
You are either trolling or are really thick in the head. Where did you got the ideea that one of the most if not the most kiteable meele which also lacks strong CC is S tier in 2v2? You literally can’t think for yourself, just heard something and now you reproduce it on the forum without understanding anything about the class design.