There are only very few pure tanks in a raid. I personally have no desire to roll prot for that. It sucks for anything elso other than pure tanking. Just my 2c
the best way to generate threat is ironically to threaten your group that they will need another tank/wipe if they do not give you a few seconds to build threat on the pulled mobs.
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This never works.
Haha, trolling - I don’t mind them doing their thing, clearing is part of it - i just wondered if using a dagger was genuinely viable or if it’s a fluke.
I think it is confirmed that faster weapon = more rage generation to burn in threat generating stuff
So, you’re not going to tank raids? If you take an MT, OT or MT, OT and Back up tank into a raid, you’re going to want every single one of them to be prot specced. There MAY be some leeway for the Back Up tank, but if for some reason you’re doing a threat-switch on a raid boss and one of those tanks can’t take a big hit, you’re going to wipe the raid, or at least stress everyone else into over-compensating.
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No but dead rogues and mages from over aggroing does.
The tricky part is to pick the right pull to not wipe the party due to the loss of dps.
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Nope not going to tank raids.
And interesting thought is, with threat metres - do we have a viable count.
For example
Sunder Armour has a threat value of 10
Rend tick has a value of 2
Ect ect
Like a tier list of which abilities generate the most threat?
My tanking friend is likely going to try 2H tanking in raids soon and I’m not that surprised.
I’ve been healing on and off for the last 15 years in a variety of formats; vanilla, TBC, WotLK, p-servers, Legion and BfA… And from what I’ve experienced thus far, even as close as I am to 60, that my training on p.servers in particular where everything has custom tuning has made everything on 1.12 classic incredibly easy for me to heal.
It’ll be interesting to see if crushing blows and other issues will prevent him from 2H tanking all the way up to content that’s before Naxx. Also, since we have not established ourselves in a guild yet on our server, we may not have healers who can pull rabbits out of a hat like I can.
So, maybe instead of giving people advice on how to faceroll their way through training dungeons, you could help to encourage them how to tank properly so we’re not all waiting at endgame for ‘tanks’ to turn up who have no idea HOW to actually tank?
I don’t mean to sound like an a*sehole, I promise, I don’t, it’s just frustrating to know that we already have a massive shortage of actual tanks in this game already, and the chances of most of us finding people who can actually take hits from raid bosses are currently very slim because they haven’t been learning to play their class as it was intended.
Instead, you’re going to be getting people passing or greeding on all their BiS shields, when they really could be gearing up for raids, because they’ve been incorrectly led to believe that they can faceroll raid bosses (or generally everything).
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You make a good point about tanking. Personally, I would have preferred it if my leveling partner went protection the whole way through and learned how to warrior tank like I had to tank in TBC.
But I can’t really expect it for 2 reasons:
- You can’t expect dps to listen in 2019. Trying to instruct dps is like trying to hold back the waves of the sea with your hands. Half of the time, they just don’t pay attention to the chat.
- Outside of dungeons, leveling with sword and shield is significantly slower than leveling with a 2H weapon. He has limited enough time as it is when he gets back from work, he doesn’t need to make it longer.
That’s not to say that we won’t go prot at 60 for raids, he’s already tanked all of TBC content as a prot paladin, while I was a prot warrior and resto shaman in those times… We’re both highly experienced players. It’s just times have changed and dps are less competent than they used to be.
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sometimes you may find sunder armor can cause a lot of threat as it also increases your physical DPSers damage thus increasing their threat. I find the ‘magic spots’ of sunder stacks for threat are 2 and 5.
As for dagger tanking, I am conflicted on this as in classic, I actually suspect the rage generation from weapons is so that the benefit of lighter hitting weapons is not as prevelant anymore as @ one point in classic, rage generated from weapons had a cap per hit, then that cap was removed, thus making harder hitting weapons more effective.
I do not know the answers, just food for thought.
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The faster the weapon, the more consistent the TPS and the more Heroic Strikes you can land, assuming you have the rage for it. People mocking you for using a dagger (or any fast weapon in that regard) are just noobs. In fact, Alcor’s Sunrazor (a 58lvl epic dagger with 1.3 speed and fire damage chance-on-hit) is one of the best (if not the best) pre-raid TPS weapons in the game.
If you out-level the dungeon you’re doing and you feel comfortable about it, you can just switch to a 2-handed weapon. Your rotation would be absolutely the same, minus Shield Block and Shield Bash.
I’d put money on him dying repeatedly against Patchwerk. Guaranteed.
Countermock them for thinking daggers or any weapon with the proper stats are bad for tanks
Sell it as if theyre really weird for thinking what they think
Oh you meant threat advice…
As an engineer I always open with either bodypull -> bloodlust or dynamite (never both cause this might put them both on CD for next pull so alternate) for those first seconds of threat.
Also put tab next target and prev target to mousewheel so I can quickly ‘scroll’ to enemies that require attention without the target swapping costing any focus or taking up any fingers I could use to cast spells with
Taunt doesn’t overtake Aggro anymore, its Just a threat Burst, if DPS outaggro’s you and keeps nuking your taunt wont save them, you probably know this, others might not
this idea can also be adapted @ max level also, so good thinking. Goblin Sapper Charges are a great source of spike threat, for aoe and even single target if your willing to use them in ST also.
I haven’t studied this on classic to know yet, but, on private servers, the way it would work is it would swap the threat with you and the current aggro target, however this was only on some private servers, so it is hard to know.
Before Naxx. I did say: before Naxx.
It would be suicidal to enter Naxx with a 2H build.
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it would be suicidal to enter AQ 40 with a 2H build, or BWL
or even early tier MC.
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