Them I am playing along, would like to read his answer
Donât think Blizzard know about the EU forums, Pip.
Well itâs simple, they want to contain all the toxic LGBT people on one server.
Totally agree with this. However, its only natural that people will look for the communities in which they fit into, that is no question and definitely a reason why people might roll on Proudmoore. Itâs just a better experience to be surrounded by others who you can emphasise experiences, share similar interests and who donât make stupid jokes about it. Sometimes its just nicer to be around people who with whom you can freely catch up on the latest from RPDR instead of the latest football game, but I donât think itâs healthy to so stuck in your bubble to the point that you are walled off from everything outside it.
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All of this stuff has always been accepted in the WoW community at large.
People looked at your character. If they didnât know better theyâd use the pronouns of your character, and that was it. If your in-game gender didnât match your IRL gender and you identified more with the gender of your character? Not a problem. Nobody even remotely began to care about it at all.
And if youâre worried about your voice on Discord, just install voice changing software.
Nobody wants a picture of you IRL unless youâre starting to get really close as friends, so thatâs also dealt with.
Being gay and lesbian? Well, sex is generally frowned upon in WoW regardless of whether itâs heterosexual or homosexual, so that wasnât an issue, either.
Honestly, I donât get the purpose of this realm, but whatever. It doesnât bother me.
What does bother me is that theyâre unwilling to merge servers due to political differences but not due to literal language barriers where people canât understand one another. Itâs hideously ridiculous.
Also, Blizzard are so tolerant I canât write the names of sexualities without writing âsexualâ afterwards. So yeah.
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Proudmoore is the biggest Western USA alliance server there is, thats itâs purpose.
I donât think itâs the LGBT issue that made blizzard backtrack on this, People were surprised to see the biggest West coast Alliance server getting connected to a smaller but still relatively healthy sized Horde server⊠Many west coast servers are known to have a decent amount of LGBT guilds, Proudmoore, Moon Guard, Wyrmrest Accord, Hyjal, I could go on⊠there definitely is a few LGBT guilds on Hyjal as well and many people who have their main on Proudmoore also have horde alts on Hyjal, In all honesty, putting the high population aside I think they would have made a great server pairing.
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because us matters and eu doesnt. i really dont understand when you guys will grow enough brain cells to understand that we are second class and have been from teh beginning. us forums are read by devs, eu forums re read by social media employees.
think.
please⊠i beg you⊠pleaseâŠ
I totally understand some may wish to seek out a realm where they feel safer or more comfortable, I just donât believe we have an EU equivalent, though we do have specific guilds on some realms.
One of the things I like about WoW or gaming in general is that it throws together a load of people that normally wouldnât meet or be friends because we are all just a bunch of characters in a game trying to do various content. We strike up friendships because we get on well with some of these others we come into contact with. Iâve even made friends via the forums that I keep in touch with daily.
However just because I behave this way doesnât mean everyone does and Iâve seen some terrible attitudes displayed towards certain sexual preferences, gender dysphoria, being female etc etc. I do recognise there are some ignorant or just plain nasty people everywhere in life. But in WoW we can just report them if appropriate and stick them on ignore and they are gone.
Some people place a lot of value in the pronouns when people refer to them. I personally do not care but people are all different, most of the time in games people will still presume you are male and I get called he, bruh, bro, mate, dude etc. If you are a friend or someone who hears me on discord people tend to realise Iâm female.
I thought of you when this announcement went up (and others who are in the same predicament with the language official or unofficial). On the one hand language is not considered a barrier even though there are clearly conflicts with some players on some of the realms that have been connected. I have not seen these exchanges first hand but we have had a few posters complain at how they are being treated. I do hope that the insults and nasty exchanges will settle and stop in time. On the other hand a safe haven for LGBTQIA+ is something Blizz considered worthy of a u-turn on connecting. Like I said I can see why but I also see why some players feel their plight didnât matter.
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Honestly languages should start dropping gendered pronouns. Thereâs no problem with gender neutral pronouns.
I/you/we/they are all gender neutral, so really no reason to have 3rd person singular pronouns gendered.
I think that is a change that will come with time. My son, for example, already does that online but I generally still refer to people as he or she.
But to trans people itâs their identity, if someone identifies as female for example and everyone uses He/him/bro whatever to address them, that can be taken as validation that they are not seen as who they see themselves as and that can be harsh.
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Fairly sure that would be a sizeable problemâŠwhat with the entire realm population rolling either white human Paladin or white human Hunter, with a lion as a petâŠand then demanding they not be referred to as an âEUâ realm.
I guess it will happen faster in English as there are less lingual obstacles for that.
I speak Hebrew and Russian. Hebrew has all 2nd and 3rd person pronouns, singular and plural, gendered (in Russian itâs more similar to English).
However both languages have gender inflections for verbs, which English lacks, which complicates things even more.
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I understand that. I have quite a few trans friends and itâs definitely something they care about. Itâs part of being accepted for who they are. Although I have played with others who feel the need to correct every stranger if they refer to them as the wrong gender. I donât care, I find it a trivial detail when dealing with a stranger. That is not to say itâs wrong for others to care.
I also think some use the wrong terms on purpose to be unpleasant to them.
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Oh and how could i forget having grammatical genders for inanimate objects? Of all the stupid things. Hebrew lacks a neuter gender so there is no âitâ. Every object is either masculine or feminine. Russian is even more complicated as it has a neuter gender but some objects still have masculine feminine gender, for example the moon (ĐŃĐœĐ°/Luna) has a feminine gender.
(sorry if I derail the thread it was not my intention)
In Bulgarian âitâ is used not only for inanimate objects. For example words like âdogâ and âchildâ are grammatically gender neutral.
This is really⊠I I donât want even to waste words
idk this sounds not really inclusive to me. swap the parties that dont want the connection and everyone would be outraged
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This is a interesting thread to be sure. Lately I have seen a lot of different languages mixed together within the EU realms/servers. For example I have noticed a lot of russian people and they do not always talk english. But is the language barrier really a reason to cancel a realm/server connection/mixup? Besides most people just talk with their guild mates and sometimes people within dungeons say hello or goodbye and thatâs about it.
Personally I do not think it will matter all that much for the reason In the sentence above. I mean take a little comparison to real life do you have busniness with everyone in your community? I know i do not, same goes for wow I do not play with everyone on my realm/server so even if they did mix it up it would not matter for me.
Yes. You could as a test offer free realm transfers from these realms and see how many of them would actually stay. I mean if you started the game with the âpromiseâ that you could play on a realm that is speaking your mother tongue then you could be rightfully annoyed if they mixed your server with a server that speaks an entirely different language (even if its english).
And in case of the two realms listed above. Well there arent enough people from said country to justify realmpools. But as visible its enough people to fill at least one realm. And they did that as to have a realm that is for them. Which is fine in itself. So obviously they would get annoyed if they get merged with people that dont speak their language. Afaik they would have less reasons than for instance people on a german realm that would get merged with an english one.
Then one could say that the merge is pointless to begin with.
Afaik there are still realm communities. Currently spammed away because of all the boosting advertisement in trade but meh.
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