Which part of “you’ve already lost this debate” did you fail to understand? Should I attempt to use less complex words for your tiny gnomish brain?
“The community” proved to be unable to fight this cancer, which is why Blizzard/Activision had to step in and force personal loot on everyone - and it was the single best improvement ever made to WoW.
See, here’s the problem with greedy selfish bastards like you. You think that this has to be about me. That I must want or need something, some piece of loot. I don’t. I’ve already got everything I wanted in terms of loot.
Do you really want to know what this is about? It’s about my friend - real life friend who also happened to play wow. He quit recently. Obviously that was unfortunate for me, so I asked him why. He plays at a different level, as in…“classic” really is “vanilla” for him (he never played wow before 2019). He plays a resto shaman, so eh.
He quit because he can’t improve his character. There’s nothing to do, as far as he’s concerned. So I pointed out that he could get lots of upgrades in various instances. To which he replied that he can’t, because:
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he can’t get ZG enchants, because those are always reserved; as he is (or rather was) more of a casual player, he couldn’t go with the “guild ZG” - obviously they needed the idols for Naxx players who had some t3 leggings/circlets - and pugs either reserved or sold (gbid) idols. As a resto shaman, he wasn’t particularly good at farming, because, well, resto shamans, no comment on that.
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he can’t even get t1/t2 upgrades, because everything good is reserved or sold (gbid again). Getting lokamir on a roll? Dream on.
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mounts or bags never came up. Not once. I doubt he even knows there are mounts dropping in there.
Obviously for me that loot is laughable at best and as you pointed out, I don’t need loot after clearing Naxx. What the hell would I do with it, vendor it after I’ve replaced it with a random honored reputation blue in BC? . But that’s not the case for him. For him, lokamir would’ve been a huge upgrade over the ZG Venoxis dagger, for example. But he felt that he just couldn’t get any upgrade, because “everything” was either reserved or sold, so what’s the point?
I hadn’t been too interested in this until then, because, frankly, I didn’t care about t1-t2 loot anymore, hell, those items were so 2019, as it were. So I hadn’t even noticed it much. I started noticing it after he quit.
Having seen that, I’m saying that HE’S RIGHT. Short of switching to a more “hardcore” playstyle, there was no way for him to improve his gear. Everything IS either reserved or sold and unless he joins a Naxx guild (for which he’s definitely not prepared - either in gold required for consumables or experience; which is why he was more of a “social” type of member). I’ll return to the “guild” part in a few moments. This is pathetic. It shouldn’t have happened. The cancerous greed of a few bastards ruins everything for normal players.
Nobody needs to do that there. Indeed, by joining a guild in retail, you can very well clear whatever and get whatever item you want, if you’re lucky. That’s it - luck. RNG. It’s all that you need. And that’s PERFECT, the way a mmorpg should be - rolling the dice.
Now, the guild part, which I said I’d return to. I gave him the same advice. Dude, just join another guild. There, problem solved, ZG, whatever. Well, no. Not quite. Because if he joined a guild, he couldn’t “just” raid BWL and AQ (which is what he was most interested in). They’d drag him into Naxx, kicking and screaming, but at the same time he couldn’t get anything from there, because, well, he’d be the new guy - and either DKP or EPGP or LC would prevent the new guy from getting any of the BEST items for a loooong time; so it would be all effort, no reward. Because all those 3 systems suck and they’re all extremely vulnerable to “leadership” corruption.
THAT shouldn’t happen. What should happen is that you go to a raid and you have A CHANCE of getting something (if you’re lucky, again, rolling the dice) because you’ve contributed to the raid’s success.
Personal loot definitely made retail more healthy. Other (completely unwelcome) changes affected it in a negative way, but I’m not particularly interested in bashing retail right now; I’m playing classic for good reasons, enough said.
It’s not about ME SEEING IT. It’s about how it affects players, who feel that this is pay to win and there’s no way for them to win, that the game is rigged. And it IS in fact rigged.
What a sad, pathetic life you must have. While I don’t screenshot “all the loot I receive”, I did take screenshots of some of those items that I felt were remarkable. Like the BIS belt, finally mine, after a long period of it not dropping. The FF ring is only there because I took a screenshot of the KT kill - I happened to get the ring shortly before it.
You know what I did with them? I used to send them to my friend. He used to send me screenshots when he’d get something good or when his (not-so-great) guild would manage to kill a new boss. “OMG dude, grats, I’m so happy for you”.
How weird that must be for you with all the 0 friends you definitely deserve.