Blizzard & Twitch Team Up To Censor Gamers

[Shumensko-azjolnerub (Shumensko)]

He was PM after the war too.

[Slugtrail-terenas]

Not successfully.

[Nefaryas-aerie-peak (Nefaryas)]

He was only PM of the face of the war though, Clement Atlee was the PM for home affairs during the war which was why he won the general election after the war and not Churchill.

Churchill did a great job but wasn’t really PM as such.

[Scotchka-twisting-nether (Scotchka)]

Hmh… is it fair to blame the average voter though? With all the propaganda the pro-brexit crew used? I think we all remember the bus nhs slogans… even Farage admitted that was a wrong thing to do.

I feel for all you remainers. Brexit is a big no no.

[Thymble-moonglade]

Can someone tell what the connection between Blizzard moderating a chat channel and the UK leaving the EU is please ?

[Terabon-shattered-hand]

Well if they team up and work out a solution to prevent chat toxicity that’s good. You don’t have anything to worry about if you’re not one of those toxic players, or do you?

[Sarathustra-veknilash]

Scotchka:

I cant debate any of this in full extent, bc i am regularly banned when i do so. So, so much for free speech. There is none.

Apart from that, this discussion is at least 20 years too late. As things are now, the following will happen:
More and more ppl will turn away from the madness, which will be reason for govs (EU) to impose drastic measures. That is why they want an army; to fight the ppls IN Europe that revolt. Is already happening.
The Euro was designed to collapse, this will also pave the way for such a coupe. Leadership (~) itself is supposedly cultural marxist, but the top layer is far from anything left. It is powermongering ‘right’.
The MSM are majority left, but too dumb to see whos bidding they do.

The role of corporatism in this is difficult. On one side it was/is an inevitable result of upscaling and of the nature of capitalism. But in effect it is atm beneficial to the cultural marxists and ofc beneficial to shareholders. In time, these will be opposing forces.

With the loss of identity more and more ppl will rebel. There is no such thing as multi-culturism, not even theoretically possible, without separation of those cultures, precisely as ppls were and have been throughout history. Mixing everything does not lead to multi-culture, but with enough suppression, eventually a mono-culture again. Only the size then changed and the number of dead.

Either nationalism/conservatism wins in the last 5 minutes, but plenty of casualties already exist. Or we end up with a totalitarian superstate.

As is now, the west is pretty much done for. China is getting stronger by the minute. And they want nothing of our western ‘diversity’ and ‘equality’. India rising too. Russia getting stronger and they also dont want the western madness. Ppls all over the world have already seen the results and do not want it. That is why there is a global nationalistic trend. And that will only grow stronger and stronger.

Globalism is already dead. Feminism is dead. Cultural marxism is dead.
The only question is how far some are willing to go to persevere in their madness.

How this relates to free speech? The (western…) enlightenment started with Christianity. The first thinkers were all raised in these beliefs (except for Baruch de Spinoza). The first victory they achieved was free speech. That is why it is founded in the US bill of rights.
In order to get to thruth and thus arrive at a beneficial to all policy, free speech is required. Not going into details and too far back, i think it is clear to all that we already lost this necessary right, specifically and ever expanding in the last few decades.
Ppl here often argue that companies can decide for themselves which speech they allow and which they do not allow. That is not so. Legally in Europe atm that is so, but the entire idea of free speech was that it should be there in public space. Since games like these (and even more so twitter, fb, etc) can now easily be argued by their massiveness wrt amount of ppl using it, to be public space. They therefor should guarantee free speech.

From what ive seen from your reactions to slugtrail, i already know you are going to sidestep everything. So i already know i am not going to answer anymore, simply bc it is no use.

There is one thing i said in the 90ies; when idiots going a certain direction ended with: “There is no one truth; everyone has his own truth”

My standard answer to that nonsens was: “Bullets dont lie”.
The likelyhood of things turning to that are greater than ever.

So congratulations ppl. You did it. The same trap again, where the top decides to sacrifice 100 million bc there are too many anyway.
You english have a saying that i found rather remarkable when i first heard it… end 80ies somewhere:
“You can alsways pay half the poor to kill the other half”

[Sarathustra-veknilash]

@Terabon-shattered-hand

Well if they team up and work out a solution to prevent chat toxicity that’s good. You don’t have anything to worry about if you’re not one of those toxic players, or do you?

That sounds real toxic to me m8.
To the Gulag with you!

[Sarathustra-veknilash]

@Slugtrail-terenas

Ah Churchill, one of if not the greatest wartime prime ministers.

He was a fan of Mr Hilter, untill he was bought of by some US ppls… and refused H’s proposals for peace.
Also didnt say much about the rhine meadow death camps.
Nothing gr8 about him. A puppet of…

[Sarathustra-veknilash]

@Orlen-kul-tiras

And your entire response is the reason people shouldn’t have been allowed that vote, frankly to damn stupid to understand what they have just done.

Im not brit, but we had a similar referendum in NL and i vote against the Eu, always.
If you want to challenge me on my stupidity; be my guest. ;]
I never lose an argument on politics or philosophy. I only lose bc i am not allowed to say certain things and/or get banned. So if you can do a nice debate, im in.

[Terabon-shattered-hand]

Pretty sure you’re getting banned because of your political wall of text which doesn’t really belong in WoW. Your reply to me can also be seen as highly inappropriate.

[Sarathustra-veknilash]

@Terabon-shattered-hand

Pretty sure you’re getting banned because of your political wall of text which doesn’t really belong in WoW

Right. After over 200 political replies in a political thread i say something, but i am the one that should get banned. Right…

@Terabon-shattered-hand

Your reply to me can also be seen as highly inappropriate.

That was the entire point! Everything can always ‘be seen as’ and is then a justification for measures. Today the wind blows from <<<< there and ppl can be convicted on the other side. Tomorrow the wind blows from >>>> there and ppl can be convicted on the opposing side.

It is not relevant what it can be seen as, or how it makes someone feel. What matters is if it is true or not.

[Baldeagle-bronzebeard (Baldeagle)]

Really.

People need to get a grip.

I’ve reported a couple of posts because basically they are way, way off-topic (i.e. comparing moderation of twitch comments to the UK leaving the EU).

My response to the original post is this: If you can not have a civilised conversation without having to resort swearing or using offensive language then you have no place on the channel that you are using.

There is no restriction on “freedom of speech”, only governments can do that. What you are seeing is the right, by the company, to restrict what is said on their platform.

As many people have said: Blizzard want the OWL to work, to make money. Now if you want to comment of a game, you need to be able to act, at least on-line, like an adult. Which from my point of view is fair enough.

[Lumbo-argent-dawn (Lumbo)]

@Baldeagle-bronzebeard

Really.

People need to get a grip.

I’ve reported a couple of posts because basically they are way, way off-topic (i.e. comparing moderation of twitch comments to the UK leaving the EU).

My response to the original post is this: If you can not have a civilised conversation without having to resort swearing or using offensive language then you have no place on the channel that you are using.

There is no restriction on “freedom of speech”, only governments can do that. What you are seeing is the right, by the company, to restrict what is said on their platform.

As many people have said: Blizzard want the OWL to work, to make money. Now if you want to comment of a game, you need to be able to act, at least on-line, like an adult. Which from my point of view is fair enough.

You seem to not have read or fully understand what the video is declearing, The issue is that these policys are being put in without giving the user and understanding of what is right from wrong which also includes Emotes on which twitch have allowed on their platform.

This can cause you to have your Battelnet account compromised for something you didn’t mean or think was against tos on their stream, so yes it is a issue regardless if you think it is or not because Blizzard is a american company and they’re policing chat not just through words but emotes without giving clarification on what emotes they can or cannot use.

I can act like adult but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have the right to know what is considered against their TOS on their livestreams than to be given a blank bit of paper to say things or to use emotes for them to add them on that paper when they’re unhappy.

[Baldeagle-bronzebeard (Baldeagle)]

@Lumbo-argent-dawn

This can cause you to have your Battelnet account compromised for something you didn’t mean or think was against tos on their stream, so yes it is a issue regardless if you think it is or not because Blizzard is a american company and they’re policing chat not just through words but emotes without giving clarification on what emotes they can or cannot use.

I can act like adult but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have the right to know what is considered against their TOS on their livestreams than to be given a blank bit of paper to say things or to use emotes for them to add them on that paper when they’re unhappy.

Oh, I watched it alright. I don’t agree with any points made.

You say you can act like an adult. Then act like one, rather than a complaining 12 year old who wants everything now and no consequences when they speak out of line.

If you do not like the restrictions, leave. Simple as that.

As these social platforms move forward, (i.e. their ML catches up with being able to detect stuff) you will find yourself more and more restricted as to what you can post on-line on the different platforms.

As the platforms come together what you say on one, will affect your ability on another. This is nothing more than real life.

If you step out of line down the pub, the guy down the pub will hit you, if step out of line on public transport expect a visit to the cells.

To respond to your last point. You say you can act like an adult. At which point you should know what is right and what is wrong (i.e. what you can say and when not to say anything).

I can understand different cultures have different mores but if you want to engage with other cultures you have accept that you have to do your best not to offend when dealing with them.

This is simply what Blizzard and Twitch are enforcing.

[Lumbo-argent-dawn (Lumbo)]

@Baldeagle-bronzebeard

@Lumbo-argent-dawn

This can cause you to have your Battelnet account compromised for something you didn’t mean or think was against tos on their stream, so yes it is a issue regardless if you think it is or not because Blizzard is a american company and they’re policing chat not just through words but emotes without giving clarification on what emotes they can or cannot use.

I can act like adult but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have the right to know what is considered against their TOS on their livestreams than to be given a blank bit of paper to say things or to use emotes for them to add them on that paper when they’re unhappy.

Oh, I watched it alright. I don’t agree with any points made.

You say you can act like an adult. Then act like one, rather than a complaining 12 year old who wants everything now and no consequences when they speak out of line.

If you do not like the restrictions, leave. Simple as that.

As these social platforms move forward, (i.e. their ML catches up with being able to detect stuff) you will find yourself more and more restricted as to what you can post on-line on the different platforms.

As the platforms come together what you say on one, will affect your ability on another. This is nothing more than real life.

If you step out of line down the pub, the guy down the pub will hit you, if step out of line on public transport expect a visit to the cells.

To respond to your last point. You say you can act like an adult. At which point you should know what is right and what is wrong (i.e. what you can say and when not to say anything).

I can understand different cultures have different mores but if you want to engage with other cultures you have accept that you have to do your best not to offend when dealing with them.

This is simply what Blizzard and Twitch are enforcing.

For someone preaching about being an adult you’re doing a terribly job at it yourself by insinuating I’m a 12 year old? rather baffled you’re incapable of a discussion without throwing out nonsensical insults.

You’ve gave no premise as to why you disagree only that you do, You’re honestly not giving much to this discussion so I’ll stop responding until you do, Also so much of what you said is inaccurate and nonsensical because what you’re saying is that if someone is unhappy with what has been said you deserve to be punched even though what you’ve said is your opinion so you’ve overall just clarified you’re for violence when something doesn’t sit well with someone else.

Great ideology there, also for someone to take offence is up to the person indivudally so expecting to know someones boundaries is laughable beyond comparison as saying one thing to someone could be seen as funny and to another could be seen as upsetting… Using pubs and public transport is nonsensical because it has nothing to do with set rules you know it has everything to do with rules you’ve not been told.

[Moothilda-aszune (Moothilda)]

Have anyone read the guildelines?

Because of this thread I have And it’s looooong, and very boring So I won’t give you a TL:DR, you have to read yourself.

I can say this, aside from being very long and very boring, it is also very very very american, and I bet you all know what that means
It means they cover every possible aspect that could threaten their money making company - if anyone have any problems understanding their rules I would suggest not using the platform

[Baldeagle-bronzebeard (Baldeagle)]

@Lumbo-argent-dawn

For someone preaching about being an adult you’re doing a terribly job at it yourself by insinuating I’m a 12 year old? rather baffled you’re incapable of a discussion without throwing out nonsensical insults.

You’ve gave no premise as to why you disagree only that you do, You’re honestly not giving much to this discussion so I’ll stop responding until you do, Also so much of what you said is inaccurate and nonsensical because what you’re saying is that if someone is unhappy with what has been said you deserve to be punched even though what you’ve said is your opinion so you’ve overall just clarified you’re for violence when something doesn’t sit well with someone else.

Nope. I did not say you were a 12 year old. I said you appeared to be acting like one. There is a significant difference.

Condoning violence, not me. Bad examples I will accept.

Rules are often unwritten. Moral codes of conduct are hardly ever written down.

Let me put it this way. “Adults never grow up, they just learn to behave in public”.

Not going to say anymore.

[Lumbo-argent-dawn (Lumbo)]

@Baldeagle-bronzebeard

@Lumbo-argent-dawn

For someone preaching about being an adult you’re doing a terribly job at it yourself by insinuating I’m a 12 year old? rather baffled you’re incapable of a discussion without throwing out nonsensical insults.

You’ve gave no premise as to why you disagree only that you do, You’re honestly not giving much to this discussion so I’ll stop responding until you do, Also so much of what you said is inaccurate and nonsensical because what you’re saying is that if someone is unhappy with what has been said you deserve to be punched even though what you’ve said is your opinion so you’ve overall just clarified you’re for violence when something doesn’t sit well with someone else.

Nope. I did not say you were a 12 year old. I said you appeared to be acting like one. There is a significant difference.

Condoning violence, not me. Bad examples I will accept.

Rules, are often unwritten. Moral code conduct are hardly ever written down.

Let me put it this way. “Adults never grow up, they just learn to behave in public”.

Not going to say anymore.

Yes you used a manner on being deceptive on categorising me as a 12 year old which is concluded as a insult regardless of how you want to paint it to fit your own premise but we all know what you meant and what it was conveyed to mean, we will agree to disagree as you’re trying to flip around the harassment guideline on the wow forums which is rather obvious, I won’t be reporting because well I just like to make it clear what you were obviously trying to convey it doesn’t actually bother me.

Morality can be questioned because usually we will follow the higher majority views than the latter which is dangerous because history has told us that not even the majority of a countries views are always correct and can be wrong.

You can’t put anything anyway to convey your point as saying adults never grow up the just learn to behave in public is nonsensical because all laws made are made by another human theoretically with that mind set is for people who are doctored and forced to act in a certain way which we have seen in many countries to be insanely dangerous being different and having different views doesn’t make you uncivilised if anything its created some of the greatest minds on this earth.

[Scotchka-twisting-nether (Scotchka)]

This has gotten far too complicated.

My simple advice to people afraid of possibly being banned because of these new rules: Act in public chats like you would act at an irl public event. You’re not around your friends where you can say pretty much anything depending on the dynamics of the group, you’re around strangers. Act like a grown up, don’t scream obscenities, don’t scream slurs at people based on their sex or race or sexual orientation. Or you know, just don’t scream slurs at anyone.

Be a decent human being. Think before you say something. Take the possible ramifications of your speech into account. Free speech isn’t devoid of consequences.

And blizz and twitch, two private companies can set all the boundaries for speech on their platforms. Hell, if blizz decided to ban people using the word “potato” they would be in their right to do so.