I talk facts. I know where the truth is. I don’t want to merc anymore so I’ll just play Ally and I don’t always group when I play. I don’t want to know what side you’re playing on, nor do I even care.
Don’t talk about us/me and problem solved. No interaction needed.
Lead your successful raids, we look forward to facing you!
What dramas you have going on. Take your fight somewhere where people care. Thank.
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What do you find so appealing about premade raiding, if I may ask?
Why is a 5 man squad for epic bgs not enough for you?
Getting 20+ players on discord who obey every order is already a huge advantage. If you are then also elitist about the quality of the players and don’t just take everyone willing to play like others do then sure, you win every round, but is that really enjoyable for you?
It’s like beating a 5 year old in an arm wrestling competition. You won, but it wasn’t an equal competition or fair in the slightest, so how can you enjoy your victories? And besides, you bent some rules to wrestle these 5 year olds, because normally ,competing in this manner is forbidden and you know it.
Another comparison is participating in an athletic competition such as the olympic games while under the influence of blood doping. You get an unfair advantage over your rivals and might even get away with it, but just because you might get away with it, it doesn’t make this behavior ok.
When I play epic bgs with a small group of friends, we can have all the impact we need. We can take towers as a group of 3, take out vehicles and make calls to coordinate our team. Every victory feels earned, the social aspect is there and nobody complains about us.
I can not force you to stop group syncing. I can only appeal to your sense of decency to stop premade raiding and play more in small groups instead.
I know about this because I witnessed it first hand when I was in the opponent team a few months ago. I can tell you for sure that our team wasn’t a premade. And admit it, you guys probably pulled this move with the siege engine more than once, didn’t you?
If you already sync up many 5 man groups, at least don’t do stuff like this in the future.
It’s a dick move. End the round quickly and don’t torture your opponents.
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honestly this is a big argument for me too… i legit don’t know how can people enjoy that… but w/e to each his own right ? the annoying part is that 1 authomaticlaly impact the other, it would be an interesting challenge if there were 10/15/40 good players tyring to win, but as it stands now, and in the last… well ever
most of the times you will start getting crushed, and then someone wil be like “bruh its just a bg” “bruh its not rated” and so on, and i legit don’t know why im even bothering … as much as premades do annoy me, the attitude of players literally queueing, sitting 10 minutes of q, just to give up without even bothering and then pretend like the enemies are the actual losers like
“omg they so bad they look how much they tryhard” yes, but technically they winning
like, i wanna tell prem to go f theymself, but id rather tell it to the afk and leeches that literally don’t even wanna try, and the more it hapens, the more it will happen, people will give up as soon as they enter bg as soon as they see premades, sometimes even justified, like, who enters bg as healer with 190k hp as buffed… like u are really asking to bhe camped at that point, u know any decent enemy will target you, and strong players don’t even need to, they know u cannot hold people up anyway…
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@Fistus: It’s like pissing into the wind. They do it under the guise of wanting to play with a group of their friends, but what is stopping them from queuing as a group of 5 for multiple BGs? They just want to stomp and take enjoyment out of others’ misery.
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I’m all for people being able to play with their friends, it’s the natural thing for a lot of people but for people like me, I generally prefer to play alone and with lots of different randoms, rather than the same old people, every game. I tried premades way back in Vanilla and it was literally wining almost every game, with very little effort, opposition just giving up, meaning what started as an objective based battleground, just ended up one side camping the other, not going for objectives, HK’s only at graveyards. Ultra, ultra boring and no gaming satisfaction from it whatsoever. The occasional times we met up with other premades then the game became a contest that you actually got some satisfaction from but they were few and far between so I have been solo ever since and always will be. Just a shame that Blizzard can’t recognise that fact and implement a solo only queue alongside a join with friends queue and force it. The game would be a hell of a lot more fun for a hell of a lot more people.
Have played maybe about 20 games now since resubbing, very surprised and pleased so far to say, that apart from 1 or 2 ‘possibly premade’ Russian sides I have seen only very random looking matchups, that said, this has only been in 10-15 man BG’s. Haven’t had the will to try epic yet. Still a stupidly large gulf in quality of gear though, some with 175k Hp and some with 10x that amount, not good for quality of games.
u got more lucky than me lol
i agree on the IL gap, there shouldn’t be such a massive one, lvl 70 starting gear should be AT LEAST 380, some people enter bgs with less than 200IL somehow… like cmon…
Sitting in voice chat and talking to each other^^
Premading for epic BGs has been a thing since vanilla Alterac Valley, and the motivations go beyond “just winning everything”. There are legitimate reasons for this since it is an MMORPG where players come together and form communities.
I got tired of LEADING random players who would not listen and wonder why they get stomped, it’s really nice to have a bunch of people who act as they should (for some of us, epic BGs is about strategy and tactics), with gear and the right talents. Sit with them in voice and have funny nights, even if we have to wait longer for games to sync our queues (and no, that is not against “rules” or “ToS” or such, if there are addons that help here they use the API of the game, which means they are legal).
In the end, everyone pays for their sub and they can decide how and with whom they play the game. Again: premade Epic BGs have been a thing since vanilla and Blizzard has barely done anything against that because they don’t see it as such a bad thing. (IMHO the easiest solution against queue-syncing would be cross-faction BGs 
If our groups get invited at the same time, we could still end up playing against each other. That would kill big premade groups really quickly) - I hope that doesn’t happen soon because I enjoy playing with my community 
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i feel bad for the avg player that ACTUALLY enjoys this.
not gonna waste any time in going on the usual explanation of how this breaks tos, its agaisnt the rules, and someday hopefully people will be banned for it, keep going, wouldn’t want you to be spared by the possible ban
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But you can do this at any time and even when there are multiple instances of 5-man groups running BGs at the same time. I just don’t understand why you have to form one big group to get enjoyment out of playing with “friends”.
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You knowingly and consciously take a detour to circumvent a restriction on maximum group size that exists to prevent the very thing you are doing.
What you are doing creates imbalanced rounds which are only enjoyable for members of the premade raid itself and unfair torture for the opponents. Hence so many people complain about group syncing. While you can currently not be banned for this, this is anything but fine. It is bad for the health of the bg community.
You know this, so could you please stop being douchebags?
Take a handful of friends with you, up to 4.
Make calls to coordinate your team.
If I can do this and win 80% of my epic bgs, why can’t you?
Stay in discord and talk to the other guys if you just like to talk while you play. They don’t have to be in the round for that.
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exactly this.
Playing with a premade is so boring. i don’t understand some one can do that all day long.
plus, they are completely ruining the pvp community (what’s left of it).
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Good post and i agree you 100 %. Blizzard, thousands of people are not having fun because of this issue. It should be easy to fix and one of the highest priorities. Pvp oriented casual players are quitting the game because of this clever way of using addons.
That’s not whining. That’s politely asking you to stop being unfair. If anything, I am mildly annoyed by how one can be so lame and proud of it. Everyone in the bg community shakes their head and looks down upon you.
I personally never let premade raids ruin my day. I just leave and play arena with my friends instead or give them a fight and sometimes even beat them.
Still, you need to understand that what you do drives players away from the game. People log in after a hard day of work to unwind and what do they get?
A Siege engine that mows them down in 1 second at their respawn location while your team deliberately refuses to take the flag which you easily could at this point?
A full premade raid with a ton of healers, boomies, hunters, all armed to the teeth in Southshore, when the opponent team can consider themselves lucky when they have 2 healers?
I swear, your premade community specifically is the reason this brawl is literally unplayable for Horde on EU . I would join, someone in chat will be like “It’s the Pandora premade -_-” and “5 times in a row today already” then players either leave or are massively demoralized.
Then 35 demoralized peasants fight a professional army of 40.
Is this fun for you?
This is disgusting and you know it.
Stop.
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This is the exact point that they just don’t grasp, and somehow Blizzard doesn’t either (crazy as it has cost them millions over the years), that their way of play has decimated the casual, ‘just join for fun’ aspect of the game in battlegrounds, the sole thing that usually keeps me playing the game. There’s a reason there aren’t almost instant queues now, there’s barely anybody playing them compared to previous times and that’s because they have become nothing more than a stomping ground for teams who for some reason or other, are too scared to stay in rated where there’s actual opposition.
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we have said and pointed this out for ages, at one point i understood that “they will understand only when its too late” or “they will understand only when it happens to them”
but then, i went past that, and realized, they will just never get it. if they EVER struggled, they would leave, and quit, and they don’t rly care about the game, because they rly do not play it like a normal actual player would, and they hide behind plausible excuses like “playing with friends”
and if the game died tomorrow, they just would give 0 F, any game would be the same as wow for these people, because any game is the same when you have 100% winratio and you can turn your brain off and not actually play. So in my eyes, they are literally playing any multiplayers game where you can 20v1 your enemy and call it “fun”
meanwhile, the normies are quitting pvp and maybe evne the game and everyone feels that in the queues, but only the people who ACTUALLY play world of warcraft see these as actual issues, the others will never get it.
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What’s the point of a MMORPG if not to meet new players , make new friends and have fun together ?
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