Yeah.
It’s hard to explain to people that it isn’t sour grapes because for the longest time EU won anyway, it’s only recently that US, the server with the advantage, has started to win. So obviously now the lockout difference is showing its true issues.
But the Americans call us salty Europeans and attempt to dismiss it.
Anyone with half a brain can see the obvious issue with 1 guild getting a fresh gear reset 16 hours before another.
lol why it must be at 50% on any difficulty? its mytic and it SHOULD be different from other difficulties. these echo fanboys…
p.s. I’m from Europe and I hope Limits wins this race
Oh I don’t know, maybe because it would be consistent and make sense? Nothing wrong with an extra mythic phase triggering at 50%, but simply extending the fight until 45% is just stupid. Nothing to do with Echo fanboys. I’m sure any Limit player would tell you the same thing.
When you kill a boss at previous difficulties and something happens at a certain point, you’d expect something to happen at that point on the highest difficulty as well. Not just more of the same.
Yes, and they had to be benched on Painsmith because of latency.
leisha Echo is literally using a healer from USA in their roster on sylvanas.
Latency is not a problem.
Also people read this:
Look at the last part.
How did they ‘screw themselves’? What would change if they assumed the fight was 45%? It would still be impossible to do this week and it would still be handed to Limit on a platter due to the loot reset.
Oh, sweetie, bless your heart.
It’s 50% on HC and Normal.
The (likely 45%) health reduction is merely that. It’s not like there’s a cool Mythic phase.
But the biggest issue is if it goes to reset (which this 45% could likely cause) then its basically handing Limit the world first on a silver platter, despite the fact that Echo have played better. Fewer pulls, better pulls, more consistent pulls.
Hell, I was watching Limit Max’s stream yesterday, and they were gathering platform timers by watching Echo.
What people are failing to understand is that this potentially causes them to lose World First and it is OUT OF THEIR CONTROL.
No one is mad that the fight doesnt end at 50%. We’re mad that it means the reset is a huge advantage.
What does Sylvanas have to do with anything? Latency is not an issue, until it is. If the entire raid group had bad latency, it wouldn’t matter if Sylvanas is doable with bad latency because they would still be stuck on Painsmith dying to spikes.
I’m pretty sure I heard that on either KT or Painsmith they were considering benching their NA players (and limit has some EU I believe?) due to the latency.
Also I was watching their Sylvanas pulls yesterday, several attempts were wiped due to a Mage not soaking, but the Mage on their screens was in the pool. It’s because the Mage was last second blinking into the pool. Imagine if that Mage has 150ms over what I assume is like 30ms… they’d never be able to pull that maneuver off.
It’s common sense. The literal definition of latency is proof that it is a problem.
Your argument is akin to saying its healthy to drink 5 energy drinks and smoke 40 cigarettes a day, because you’re not dead yet.
How does it screw the race? It dies
at 45%, that’s it. It dies at 45% for Echo, Limit, and everyone else. Do you actually think, that Blizzard said “let’s give the win to Limit”, and then they calculated how much % each guild would be able to push before reset? How the hell would they even do that?
It has always been a disadvantage, literally always. This doesn’t change anything.
Another way to phrase this:
“Do you actually think Blizzard test their fights?”
It screws the race because Limit will get a whole new raids worth of loot and just roll over Sylvanas before Echo even get a chance.
How is this not obvious to people?
Maybe it’s a sad coincidence. IMO Blizz did it to try extend the fight into week 2 (but not maliciously).
Yes, I know that.
Why do you think that makes it any better?
Because it has never been this big of an issue in the community. NA has an advantage, that’s the way it is. Are you also getting pissed every tier, that Asia has a 2 day disadvantage?
I’m sure they do test their fights, but last boss on mythic is only tested internally. Do you seriously think they can predict, down to single digit %, how much a top guild is able to push every week, by internal testing? Predict gear RNG, dom sockets, comps, conduits, covenants, etc.? If you do, then you’re insane.
I also don’t see why Blizzard should be balancing bosses to fair out the WFR. It’s a community event, and it literally affects the 0.01% of people in the game. Why the hell should a boss be balanced according to that?
Because it has never been highlighted like this before.
What kind of bizarre logic is this?
Asia has a lot of differences.
But if an Asian guild lost by a lockout, I would be mad about that too, yes.
In fact I was excited to see the new Asian “all-star” guild this tier, but apparently their leadership fell through.
Absolutely. They encounter is designed around 4 platforms and they get like 30-40 seconds on each one. The main mechanic is a DPS race per each platform, as Blizzard designed it, before she 1 shots the raid. Obviously adding more HP is going to effect it.
Nope, they had at least one EU player on their painsmith kill
Um can somone please tell me what’s going on as i have no idea who this echo is are we talking about heartstone’s echo cards?
They didn’t add more hp. That’s the way the boss has been designed. It has literally been in the game before Mythic even came out. The guilds have a large roster with every class and spec ready, with different legendaries, covenants, + you have huge RNG, now so even more than ever before, with domination sockets. There is literally 0 chance that Blizzard can predict if Echo pushes the boss to 50 or 45 first week, before the raid even comes out.
And again, bosses SHOULD NOT be designed for 0.01% of the population. That’s just mad.