But nobody cares about group’s performance, lmao. If your group needs a super random BoE drop to progress through a dungeon, you all have no business being there in the first place. And if it doesn’t, then a random drop won’t make a huge difference on performance compared to its value.
No, that’s what you like to think to make yourself seem right. In truth, my way of proposed loot distribution doesn’t benefit me in any way, yet you’re still trying to imply that.
I give him the book in both cases, not because that’s fair, but because I don’t mind giving up ~800g to a guildie, which will benefit our guild in general.
No you don’t care, I do though. I’m happy for my group members if something drops for them. I instantly assume if a BoE drops that’s an upgrade for a group member that they should get it.
It does benefit you, you get a chance to get an item(you don’t need), whilst in my case you shouldn’t be able to get it in the first place. You went from 0% chance to 20% chance.
It baffles me that you think like that. For me it’s obvious that the warrior should get it, no matter if he’s a guildie or not. Why do you think about gold first? Seems that many people here only can see gold values and don’t actually see them as items to use.
Next question, because that seems like an odd statement given your beliefs on gold-gear equivalence: you are not in a dungeon and your guildmate asks you to buy him a BoE on the auction house. Do you buy it? Because you just said you would buy it.
5 group members, 5 boes drop for each class.
My way: I get a 20% chance on 5 occasions, average 100% chance of getting 1 BoE.
Your way: you get a 100% chance on 1 occasion and 0% on 4 others, average 100% chance of getting 1 BoE.
Is that too difficult?
That’s actually a good question. First of all, let me correct myself. If I pass on an item worth 800g, I’m not giving up 800g, just my chance of getting it, so that would be 20% of that which is 160g. But if I buy it from the AH, I pay the full amount of 100%.
Most likely I wouldn’t, but it really depends on a lot of things, so its hard to answer in a definite way.
If all you did was pass then you haven’t even given the item to the warrior guildie. You’re more likely to have given it to some rando, unless you’re a full guild run and you all pass together. You said you’d give it i.e. you won. And you did specify both cases, so we can’t assume full guild run with all pass.
A valuable BoE has objectively exactly the same value to everyone in the group.
The only fair way is for everyone to roll need.
People who disagree just want to police how people roll. Probably the same people who think that warriors should only roll on plate, completely ignorant on how the game actually works. Also, most people couldn’t even explain how stats work for their class, so who gets to decide how much an upgrade an item is to you?
In all online games the value of trade-able items is expressed in a standard currency, not about your personal feelings towards them.
And no, BoPs are not comparable because there is a large discrepancy in value between group members.
Everyone should therefore use an AH addon to immediately see the value of an item…
That’s correct, my bad. Confused the given examples a little bit.
Well yeah, I’d still give it to a guildie. The thing about playing with guildies is you can trust them to do the same for you if/when needed, which isn’t the case with pugs.
In an ideal world where everyone can trust each other, there would be no major difference between “all need” and “ms > os” approaches to BoEs. Except maybe the fact that not all classes have the same amount and value of BoEs that fit them.
So yes, even if strictly speaking its fair for everyone to roll need on a BoE in a guild run, I’m not always gonna do that for several reasons.
To be fair, policing each other’s behaviour has been the nature of people for thousands of years. We have entire patterns of behaviour that only exist to show the socially appropriate degree of respect.
Are you arguing that we should remove the words please and thank you from the language because they are nothing more than an attempt to police how people speak?
So you’re now saying that you agree the item is worth the same amount during the run as later on the auction house, but that you’d probably only provide it to the guildmate in the space between winning a roll and turning it into gold. Once the gold is in your bags, you are now reluctant to part with it.
That seems difficult to explain unless the item really is a different thing to a bag of gold.
Have you changed your mind about giving the warrior the book? If you pass him the book as soon as it drops, you have cost yourself a sum of gold. If you sell the book on the auction house, then buy the warrior a book the following week, you have still cost yourself a sum of gold. It might even be the same damned book.
But what you’re telling me is that you’d do it the first way but not the second. You’d give up the book, but you wouldn’t give up the profits from the book, even if the warrior turned them into another book. That’s absurd unless there’s a difference.
To ask a different question, if a bag of gold dropped, would you give it to the warrior to buy a book?
No chance calculation doesn’t work like that, just because you get to roll 5x with a 20% chance doesn’t give you an average of 100% chance to win it. Especially not with the way blizzard implemented rolls.
Besides that, if you win, you get an item you might not even be able to use.
In my case, you have a 100% chance on an item you actually need.
No, BiS/good items should go to the person needing them. Often times leather/cloth have much better stats than any plate/mail has for a specific class. This is just the nature of vanilla where blizzard didn’t have a clue about the stats people wanted. This was fixed in TBC though, although there are still items people might need that are of a different type.
Healers mostly need cloth/leather
Warrior need leather, mail, plate
Rogues just need leather
Hunters need leather and mail
Paladins need cloth/leather/mail/plate depending on spec.
Once again, it depends. If its a guildie and I feel charitable enough, yeah I probably give it to him just for the sake of it.
Must be some difference. Let’s see if we can figure out what it is?
I just don’t think its the difference in value, because value can be expressed in gold and the market price of that item wouldn’t be what it is unless it matched its value.
What do you think is the difference?
Oh really? So you’re saying that if everyone rolled my way, they’d get less loot on average. Let me ask you, where would the rest of the loot go then?
I think that’s a silly question. It’s like asking what the difference between a cat and a dog is, or an apple and an orange. One is a BoE item, and the other is a monetary sum. There are things I would do for food that I wouldn’t do for the monetary value of that food. That’s because food isn’t money.
Yeah, but you wouldn’t say a dog is more valuable than a cat unless you knew their value, which is normally expressed in money as the easiest substitute.
So yes, one is a BoE item and the other is a monetary sum, but you can’t deny that if this sum is that BoEs value, then therefore they’re equal in value?
Thing is that in a PUG, the person who really needs the item to use it fights against 4 other people who all may roll “need” to sell the item.
That’s why I’m always rolling need, and then afterwards I give the item to the guy who will use it. This way, the guy has one less opponent to worry about because I’m rolling for him.