Bring back GDKP - HR/SR system is god awful

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GDKP needs to return. Based on nothing but facts… Blizzard banned GDKP to “remove the advantage of gold buying” and “To limit the server impact of bots”

Both of those things failed. Bots dominate absolutely every market. Every herb market, ore market, fish market, is absolutely flooded by bots. Every other market is dominated by mages. The prices to upkeep solid gameplay are s high that it’s more than a full-time job to make happen, and as such, gold buying is at an all-time high. Remoiving GDKP made the only viable way to actually afford to raid or accrue gold is to level a mage.

Alongside this, the removal of GDKP has given rise to a different kind of group cancer, Hard Reserve (HR) runs.

“HR” simply means, somebody is telling the group in advance that they will ninja an item. Something that used to be bannable when Blizzard spent money to have humans employed in their game master team. This system is absolutely awful. Every single run is HR, and people have started to HR more than 1 item in simple runs… Like, I saw 3 items HR’d in UBRS yesterday. It’s not only common, but expected, that in every AQ20 pug, bare that word in mind, complete pug, to have all BoEs, Books, Idols HR’d + a boss drop item. It’s just a hugely selfish and exploitative system that leads to so many arguments, actual ninjas and hostility. GDKP runs never had these issues, no pun intended, but they were the golden era of pug runs.

GDKP era had LESS bots due to people actually being able to afford to play the game due to making gold from raids.

GDKP era led to less gold buying, because people could actually afford commodities due to making money from raids.

GDKP era was friendlier, because everybody had a common goal of making gold, instead of selfishness. EVERY item was up for grabs.

There were more raid pugs. ~As it was viable for guilds to GDKP the big raids to make gold for their members. That no longer happens as there is 0 gain from pugging now if your golden items don’t drop, whereas before you were guyaranteed some sort of profit.

GDKP was, simply, far superior to this garbage that we’re stuck with now. It’s the golden era of selfishness and ninjaing in advance has become the acceptable method of play. It’s so unbelievably bad, and moving in to TBC with this system is place will make the game absolutely insufferable. Every single HC dungeon will have Primal Nether HR. Don’t even get me started on god tier items like DST, can you even imagine the carnage that is going to produce in this system?

TL;DR - Ban HR/SR runs, bring back GDKP.

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No, Because new players need to be able to equip themselves properly if they want to do gdkp without buying gold.

Why not.

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No, they should just add token to shop and that’s about it.

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Never gonna happen with everything HR’d. It’s harder to get gear now than it was then.

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Nobody is stopping you from making a group loot raid. Or SR with no HR. Go ahead and lead by example, I’m sure your raid will fill up with quality PuGs in no time.

Or do you want someone else to make the raid, invite healers and tanks and serve you your BiS to be freely rolled on because you graced his raid with your dignified, buffless, consumeless presence.

Make a dungeon run, tank it yourself and don’t reserve the nether so a green DPS who was afk for half the run can get his just reward.

What on earth made you believe a solo player joining a pug deserves to get a DST?

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HR / SR is very toxic but GDKP is even worse. In my opinion personal loot is the best system but I will take HR / SR over GDKP any day

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How did they fail at removing the advantage from gold buyers? You cant buy raid gear ergo you dont have any real advantage if you buy gold.

You dont need every single consume, you can do things with less than that without a problem so dont pretend like you need it, you want it. And there is no proof at all that the gold buying is at a all time high, there is no one that needs to buy thousands of gold to get one piece of equipment so the overall amounts being bought is probably lower actually.

Nah it means that the loot master have deiced that a item/ some items will go to them it has always been allowed and its not ninja looting as its agreed on ahead of time.

And also you GDKP people should be happy that you still have Era and Pandaland leave the rest of us out of your insanity

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lol, i told ya all. I stopped playing anniversary around february because farming gold for casual play time of 2-3 hours a day was impossible. You need a lot work to be able to afford all consumables for raid.

In classic era, I join 1 gdkp run and cut makes me pay consumables for the next 2-3 weeks :slight_smile: Also, I am able to buy upgrades with saving money etc.

If legendary drops in MC run i get huge cut while you get nothing in HR raids :slight_smile:

gdkp is one of the best system if it is hosted fair ( no made up deductions and not forcing people to buy garbage upgrades )

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Using gdkp as an argument against RMT lol. There are far less bots in anniversary then in any iteration of wow. GDKP whales used to sell their gold, fresh gdkp users bought said gold to buy items, as if fresh people had obtained 1000s of gold by farming. That is a lot of text to say I want to buy gold to buy my bis but I can’t so now I have to play the game without an advantage boo hoo

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I agree about allowing GDKP. Banning SR/HR is a bad idea though, there are a lot of players who enjoy that way of distributing loot.

I have always thought that players should be able to choose the loot system that they prefer. A ban on GDKP just serves to limit how players play the game, and discourages many players from playing on the new servers.

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So as a dps warrior i can join a gdkp without any gold on me. And then get paid 2000 gold? (aka 3 weeks of consumes)

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This again.

Gold not at an all time high. Flat out not true.

HR runs are annoying, I agree. That’s a why I join them if I don’t need the HR item, find a different one, or make my own.

On that note, you can set up an UBRS group in about ten minutes so what’s the point of complaining?

The GDKP ban massively reduced gold inflation (but not entirely ofc)Wait for TBC to come out. People will return to ERA and check the prices there then. At it’s peak I levelled a toon to 35 and had 400 gold. It was ridiculous.

But most importantly, it’s an anti social, anti-classic and anti-game practice. Massive multiplayer worlds are games where through cooperation and socialisation you get the best items. Adding the possibility to do it with gold is the opposite of that.

This is not a single player experience. I just don’t see why you all keep forcing that playstyle on the game. Why don’t you play retail or something else?

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This might be the best idea for a casual player atm.
Casual or returning ppl might think going classic anni would be better going back to simpler times, but they soon enough realise they have to deal with sweats being in a guild just to get smth done.
The current patch on retail is one of the best and with starlight crafted gear, getting 4p set from catalyst, delves and m+ beats hands down that whole drama on classic. Midnight looking pretty good as well.

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Nah you can be a casual that still want to be part of something social, it might be the best choice for anyone that wants a single player experience though. Casual dosnt equal not being social nor do it equal not spending time in game.

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M+ and raiding still requires a team and a few likeminded ppl you befriend is plenty socializing. unless you are one of those ppl who’s happy with his/hers 1000 friends on fb.

Having enough systems as catch-up mechanics doesn’t mean the game is singleplayer.
It beats having thrash blade as endgame unless you swipe or sweat in most guilds.
It’s a choice really…key words “might be” and “atm” in that quote you made.

Oh and since we’re here, let’s just mention how all these threads including this one are so misleading both with titles and then the explanation when its clearly all about bringing back gdkp. So having that mind you should be able to understand why i’d mention casual and retail as a choice considering the current situation on classic.

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They swapped a chance to win an item with gold to “You have no shot at this item because i’m going to ninja it, f*** you.”

How is that better?

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There is no advantage when it comes to getting gear from buying gold that is a whole lot better and its not ninjaing if you agree to it beforehand…

Its better in every way shape and form.

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Fury dps is most demanded class in GDKP runs, hosters prefer to take as much warrior as possible. Therefore, playing fury dps is the biggest advantage.

Hard to join classes are mage / warlock / paladins because 4x mage , 2x warlock and 3x paladins are enough for good composition.

naxx cuts around 3k - 5k depends on loot, so by joining once each week you probably get 3 weeks of consumables gold.

In era not many toxic groups which forces you to bid, even if you dont bid on warrior loot which is an upgrade for you someone else will bid and buy it. As long as you bring world buffs, use consumables, play normal and not grief no one will deduct you.

Full BiS fury warrior puts around 1200dps, on the other hand avarage geared warrior ( zg20,aq20,aq40 gear ) can put around 900dps.

DMF increases your DPS around 250, in short gear is not that important as long as you know what you do and you stack consumables/buffs.

Upgrading from sand polished hammer to gressil is differs only +25-30dps…

even if you dont join GDKP, things you farm in game will sell higher amount of gold because some people making gold by joining GDKP.

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There is only the same loot dropping, so if YOU think it is easier getting loot with DKP it just means others are having a harder time getting the same loot. I guess I spotted the gold buyer …

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You cannot expect players changing their roles to fill missing spots, without anything in return. As MT with own roster in progress guild, I have been asked many times to help casuals and random raids. Why would I waste my time and carry them without anything in return?

People can create or join raids with rules matching their personal needs. It’s not toxic, it’s a fair deal for everyone.