NOR do you, LOL. So with all the data we have, is the second most bad expansion. Until you prove me wrong …
This guy … HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
First it says that Cataclysm is the best expansion ever, when in reality, is bad. Then he come up and says WOD is not that bad actually LOL, when in reality, it lost the most subs EVER, almost 50% ( !!! ) up to 4.5 millions ( !!! ). But … is not that bad!
But hey … yea, both this expansions are great …
Something tells me you actually enjoy bad games, bad movies, etc. But hey! To each his own! Don’t mind me or … the majority. You … do you !
Something tells me you haven’t played any of these expansions and have no clue what you’re talking about.
Thats not how it works tho. In general you should provide evidence to support your claim not me. But again its fine i’ve known you can’t argue for a long time by now.
Also its kinda funny mop Lost same numbers as cata yet its regarded as one of best expansions.
Tell me you missed the point without telling me you missed the point.
Not what i did.
Non of that is true.
It wasn’t 3 million & it’s not the most either.
Shadowlands lost more, Wod lost more, bfa lost more.
You even prove yourself wrong… it went from 12 to 10, whats 12-10 ? 2. Where did you get 3?
And as i even told you before looking at the picture, WoD lost more. 2.9mil.
And yes, the second is not true. Is the 2nd most, after WOD, but I was strictly referring Vanilla - Cataclysm.
Beside WOD which is true, it lost 4.5 millions , Shadowlands and BfA lost more than 3 million Cataclysm? Care to share your data? No ? I though so, LOL …
Please read my post again before making delusional remarks. “It lost 3 mil , before gaining 1 back because of the MOP pre-patch and hype”.
It’s the real number. Infact i think i even cut it a bit short.
I don’t, check the picture. You see on the staples it says “Cataclysm.” Thats when Cataclysm released. That was 12M. Then you see on Mists of Pandarias staple it says 10.
12-10 = 2. Not that difficult really.
That data is in a video by Blizzard. Might have been during the announcement of War Within. They showed data, not exact numbers, don’t think they’ll ever share that. But it shows how much it dipped. Shadowlands basically killed the entire playerbase, then Vanilla came and saved it pretty much. And Dragonflight helped alot aswell.
I mean if you don’t follow anything blizz releases or talks about, it’s pretty hard to discuss it, should perhaps prepare yourself a bit better.
Even at Catas lowest it’s still not 3.
I can recommend you a brand if you’d like, as you clearly can’t read the data.
Why you are making it sound like just because CATA had decrease of active subscription in later phases, it means that CATA is worst expansion ever.
All I can see from that graph is that there was drop of MMORPG player’s interest in WoW in general, which was inevitable in my opinion since there was many interesting games released since then.
Summary
There are also no data for later phases of WotLK in first three quarters of 2010, and first two quarters of 2011 since CATA launch.
The black bar in fourth quarter of 2010, indicate that by the launch of CATA, the number of subs was the same as by the end of 2009, which means the number of subs raised since CATA launch before the drop in 2012.
How exactly does this prove that CATA was the reason for decrease in WoW subscription count?
Edit: OK… I’ve made mistake and read the graph wrong, shifted it by whole year.
While it show that by the launch of CATA WoW subs were at peak, followed by the steady decrease, it’s not like either MoP or WoD miraculously brought the number of subs back to previous numbers though.
WoD might had higher “hype factor” which however quickly fell off since the launch.
Thus I still stand by my claim that it only show steady decrease of interest in general.
I’d be careful arguing with him. The guys been around since atleast Cata prepatch and every single time he talks about Cata, it’s awful, horrible, sucks, the worst.
He links a review page with reviews about cata from 2022 & 2023.
He’ll link the same page about its sub drops.
I’ve tried to argue that there was alot happening around that time aswell. Other game & mmos becoming much bigger. But he ignores all of it. Cata just sucks, period apparently.
Is ok! Seems you guys are doing that every.single.time. Much like the guy above, Freemind.
You are so blind about your belowed expansion, that you do not even see data as it is.
Repeat after me : Cataclysm is the first expansion EVER to start losing subs, and the 2nd expansion in the history of WoW to lose that many subs at once.
Thanks!
If you mean Classic(s) , “…since Vanilla Classic”. Else, is “since WoW launched”.
They can’t read data. Literally. See below :
Its 2.9 mil, but HEY! Is not 3 mil, LOL … this guys.
Exactly! Is already in the worst shape minus end of Wotlk since Wotlk was the longest expansion from all Classics.
I was expecting nothing less from you than to pinpoint the mistake which I admitted and corrected myself, while you ignore the rest of what I’ve posted.
It’s also not like CATA is “beloved” expansion to me, I can see the reason why some WoW players dislike some changes in CATA, it was simply not the only reason why WoW subs were decreasing as you claim to be.
In order to highlight how absurd is you claim that all of this is just because of CATA expansion.
Just as much absurd as your claim that I consider CATA to be amazing.
No! Is not, because after CATA, almost all other have gone down. So my point stands. Yours however, was a pathetic one, literally nothing to do with the subject.
But it is … for you and …few others who write on this forums. There are barely 3-5 threads where people write daily (24 hours) and…that’s it. Dead forum = Dead Game …
Ironforge update: Cataclysm raids/pvpers is down 11319 alts to a total of 190.950 by 20/8/2024. First time below 200k. And TWW is not out yet. In previous expansions, during August the population was steady or climbing. Only in Cataclysm is the population declining.
If we exclude end of Wotlk, 190,950 is the worst EVER , LOL…with 1-2 weeks in other expansions which had lower for…some reasons. And the ONLY way to go … for Cataclysm , is down! NEVER up!
Absolutely Cata maybe isn’t a bad expansion, but it just didn’t improve the game, even then.
Vanilla was a good game, but had some problems which TBC improved upon. Then some problems remained and WotLK improved upon it. Cata is the first expansion that didnt improve the game.
Rated BG really didn’t turn out to be what everyone hoped for back then. That was the only improvement Cata gave, and it was a bit meh. I found already initially it was a dumb down of WotLK in many ways, locked talent trees, simplification of stats, and more cooldown based pvp.
So to that extent Cata sucks, it didnt improve enough, if at all, upon WotLK
Absolutely seen though it is a much better endgame than vanilla offered though, ofcourse.
