I think a issue here is that many see hiding your alts as an offense committed by aggressors, not as an act of protection done by victims. There’s plenty of people here who benefit (and I wish they didn’t have to hide) from hiding their alts due to being POC, LGBTQIA+ and non-men.
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On the one hand we have the exeperience based take from someone who is part of the organizing team of the largest cohesive WoW RP community in the world and on the other hand we have Mogi’s take
Also you should next time reply to my much more serious post formulated just moments below the one you chose to reply to for obvious reasons
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The community someone is part of doesn’t really matter here tbqh when PCU and non-PCU alike agree with the very mundane take of “people have the right to not be background checked at every turn”.
You make a cringe post, it’ll get a reply. Your follow-up added nothing except thinking it’s every ADers responsibility to act as a secret police, which is also a take that you’re not gonna get a great deal of agreement on. Of course AD is in desperate need of more moderation; that doesn’t mean that every single player should have to sacrifice their personal privacy and well-being for it.
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Just on the offchance that Winnie the Pooh decides to cancel your subscription and ban you from Battlenet: Don’t forget the Chinese community.
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thank you op for taking the time to write this out, hopefully it will be helpful.
Yeah I got the big man on speed dial. Developing a PCU mobile game as we speak.
Yeah true I would never forgot those… I love them
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Makes sense that you’d be a drone given your post history.
Edit: Jokes aside, I recall the one time we had their stormwind infantry guild doing a footman montage and it looked and sounded extremely drilled, patrioric and in line with our quality standards. Almost as good as Diablo Immortal which I’m testing right now…
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What is there to respond rly, if that’s what you take from a post I specifically made to explain that I actually see the reasoning for the opposite side + still think that for the overall effectiveness of community self management Check PvP outweighs the bad use with a net positive – then it’s just another Mongi moment
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Yeah fundamentally nobody likes random info scraping of any kind - this isn’t some massive revelation or news to anyone
The point is really that in Morsteth’s position (for example) if he wants to avoid a given player joining his guild (which I hope you will agree is his right also) he should also be allowed to do that
In a perfect world everyone could be anonymous as they like but also have their freedom of association upheld - but those two things are in conflict in the current system and could only really be settled with Blizzard investing into a level of moderation that I think it would be unrealistic to expect from them based on how things are
So what’s your solution to that? Whose right supercedes whose?
same 
The idea that hiding your alts is never used for ill and is just some wholesome chonker move based entirely around privacy concerns is just untrue and I think you know that as well as I do so this comes off as mildly insincere
Sure, there’s absolutely good reasons to hide your alts but there’s also good reasons to want to know who you’re interaction with and total anonymity can beget total freedom in the myriad ways you can mess with someone online
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I think Morsteth’s point here sums it up quite well.
CheckPvP is a decent tool, especially for guild officers and GMs to find out and know more about the member who is about to join their guild, considering the amount of bad experiences and possibilities which can come following it, including disrupting individuals or those who’d bring the guild to shame, which is quite important to manage a guild.
Or even knowing someone unpleasant and wishing to avoid them, and alike. Or it’s real usage: Checking ratings and PvP experiences of people.
And of course, in general one can have the privacy they wish for as well, such as the examples mentioned of being stalked or alike, or just feeling more comfortable about it, hiding their characters.
You have those who hide it for malicious reasons as well, of course, which is not good.
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Don’t we have to do that anyway? Out of context we have to proactively tell on griefers and trolls.
In context I’ve frequently used checkpvp to see which mammoth-riding mongoloid is disrupting an event or general RP in Stormwind. Just on the off chance they are a member of another RP guild (and consequently face the consequences) or a non-RP guild that conveniently advertises on these very forums, thus discrediting that guild completely.
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Ultimately I think this thread is just gonna end up just boiling down to this.
Yes, it’s good to be able to hide from abusers.
Yes, it’s good to be able to identify hidden abusers.
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Yeah I really do think you can appreciate it more from a officing perspective, it has solved so many “situations” and I dare say if everyone was to disable their Check PvP you could trash this entire server tomorrow because the anticipated amount of griefing/ weird stuff in general would be absolutely monstrous
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Considering my posts have been pro-PCU in their majority I don’t know what this says tbh
That’s the take here: both positions are equally valid and don’t necessarily cancel each other out. The point of threads like these is very much to debate, and something like this is a topic that clearly a lot of people hold strong opinions on. There’s no definitive “better” solution when clearly there’s a lot of contention.
The idea that it is more frequently that not used for ill as opposed to something as basic as “I want some privacy” (which fellow drone Adelais, Loras and Jalbert summed up better than I have) is the assumption that every player is guilty until proven innocent, which very well may be the case on AD but it isn’t a blanket cause and isn’t consent.
This sums it up well. Forum posters will disagree; it happens, and will continue to happen. There have been far cringier takes than that some people have innate anxieties and prefer to keep their characters based on a character-to-character basis. As anyone here can see I don’t even have my alts hidden, because I’m generally quite open about my main, but that doesn’t mean I disrespect the wants or needs of other players when it comes to third party websites.
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I’ll give praise to check-pvp for letting everyone know how much of a scumbag that art tracer who told Gallvin to kill himself was. Like they were known super quickly across all of their alts because of that website and I do think that was an instance of it coming in useful for all the right reasons.
But that is a minority of cases and honestly? It can be nice just having a character that nobody knows is you for a bit, especially to big dumb dumbs like me who imagine pressure from other RPers and being judged on that*
*I don’t think that actually happens but anxiety go brrr
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You are completely dismissing the deterrent factor though and that’s a bit silly. It ties into why this can be a minority in cases (along with the fact that not every altbust is a spectacle on the realm forums or Discord)
As long as there’s a tool and/or a method to track your main character down (and thus make you face the consequences of your actions as per your example), the only thing that’s needed is the will. Now if you continuously piss off, antagonize, belittle, grief and troll someone or a group they are going to have the willingness to find out who you are, endangering your position in the community.
That anxiety you feel is an excellent deterrent for those who are less than stellar human beings and I like that status quo.
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It’s always a riot to see Galford arrive on the meme roof and everybody’s names suddenly start popping up in the check-pvp feed
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Huh. Looks like Mr. “I don’t care” is a little more worried than he tries to let on.
Yeah of course lol I think it’s fairly obvious that people are doing bombastic AD forum user posts on both sides - ie. ughh secret police vs ughh anyone who disables check.pvp has involved in war crimes
I don’t know what the solution is outside of relying on Blizzard but for example I think it isn’t ideal either that the groups you mentioned above have to go undercover to play based on this lack of moderation
Agree with this in a big way - I think anyone who’s been on AD longer than 15 minutes will know that people love their crazy OOC schemes / hidden identities etc and that’s something officers in many big guilds have to deal with on the regular
The problem is (in the current rendition of this game) they more or less do. In some sense Group A’s desire to not be harassed comes at the cost of Group B’s desire to not be harassed
Then I think it’s not entirely fair to chew out my beloved friend Morsteth for wanting to curate his community if there’s no alternative solution
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