Have you read the rest of my comment ?
Yes. Still you made the statement the existance of a meta is what is wrong. That is the main message you give in your post.
It is. And if you noticed, I also said that if the differences are small, the meta is irrelevant.
Well, people exagerate the differences anyway.
Heh, this europe here. Not dumbfukistan.
Do you have any idea how big DPS a boomie is doing single target and priority targets? Boomie also adds way more utility than warlocks, and utility is very important for M+. Not saying boomie is not underperforming. But it gets exagerated so much it is not fun anymore.
Ok, but weâre talking about âshould beâ here, not what is.
What if, as a player, I enjoy feral (supposedly PvP spec right now) but despise PvP and love M+ ?
Then Iâd say Feral is okay in ST and therefore still playable in M+ keys. Just like BM hunters are playable. But they are below average for this content so you wont be nr 1.
Basically, shouldnât it be better if there were only small differences between specs, regardless of content type ?
That would mean you could basically chose any spec and enjoy any kind of content with that spec.
That is what I ment with my last sentence.
THIS IS ONLY THE CASE because they cannot balance ALL classes to be viable in ALL content. If they do this, nothing else matters anymore.
^ Ideally they just balance everythingâŚ
Do you have any idea how big DPS a boomie is doing single target and priority targets? Boomie also adds way more utility than warlocks, and utility is very important for M+. Not saying boomie is not underperforming. But it gets exagerated so much it is not fun anymore.
That is exactly the reason why the top groups bring a WW monk (Op in ST and AOE) or a Fire mage (OP in ST and very strong in AOE + int buff for WL).
ST damage specs are usefull if you double up on AOE classes.
Unless you homogenize everything, people will always take the better option, regardless if itâs marginally better or straight up broken. If the damage is even, or close, theyâll take the better utility. Dispels, stops, shroud, lust, better burst, better funnel⌠etc. As a warlock, my damage has been more than fine to do the key levels Iâve been wanting to do between S1 of BfA and S3 of SL, but other classes brought something extra.
The community perception plays arguable a much bigger role than the actual numbers game. The amount of times Iâve had to remind people that I can purge/dispel as a warlock is too damn high. Itâs just that theyâve played with classes that can do what I can, and more, so people just arenât aware how close the gap really is.
The thing is, destro is only sought after now because itâs doing bonkers damage. If it didnât, it would get overshadowed by another class that can do similar damage but brings more utility. Warlock and feral are the same in this regard. If they overbuffed feral tomorrow, it wouldnât suddenly become a better M+ spec, it would just do broken damage and nothing else, just like destro does now.
That is exactly the reason why the top groups bring a WW monk (Op in ST and AOE) or a Fire mage (OP in ST and very strong in AOE + int buff for WL).
Yes but they do not bring mass root, trees, battleress, typoon, vortex.
trees, battleress
They use DK tanks.
mass root
vortex
WW monk.
mass root
Mage.
Druid brings good utility but no unreplacable utility on classes with (atm) a TON more damage in both ST and AOE. In this current meta druid has no place because of the massive dps difference.
EDIT: Itâs not even overexagerating.
btw, no need trees/mass root if stuff dies instantly.
I donât play with a DK, WW or mage. Our boomie is in 1 char all these classes. And we definitely run trees in some dungeons. Very needed. And mass root is very usefull in some dungeons too.
Unless you homogenize everything, people will always take the better option, regardless if itâs marginally better or straight up broken. If the damage is even, or close, theyâll take the better utility. Dispels, stops, shroud, lust, better burst, better funnelâŚ
What ifâŚ
The âpure numbersâ difference (dps, hps, tank-per-sec ??) between specs was smaller than the difference between caused by gear within the same spec ?
For example, you get a more crit based build or haste based (whatever) and that difference is bigger (or at least comparable) than the difference between specs.
Then the specs are not homogenized to the point they are the exact same.
Then, regarding utility. What if you give some unique utility to each spec, and make it so the content is made easier by the presence of some of each unique utility, within the same dungeon, in a such way that you have to give up on some unique and desirable utility when forming your group. In other words : you have to make a choice.
But then, this choice will make parts of the dungeon easier and some other part harder, but not to the point of âmake it or wipe itâ.
Our boomie is in 1 char all these classes.
Druid brings good utility but no unreplacable utility on classes with (atm) a TON more damage in both ST and AOE. In this current meta druid has no place because of the massive dps difference
He is all their utility, but a quarter of their dmg.
He is all their utility, but a quarter of their dmg.
Like i said. Big exagerations. Yes, underperforming. I said that multiple times. But not 25% of others damage. Plain nonsense.
Itâs about half the damage of a warlock. Thatâs not an exageration.
Not half the damage of affli and demo.
I am not running with a bdk, not with a ww, not with a destrolock and still we time up to 23âs. Non meta can not be that bad as people claim.
Not half the damage of affli
HAHA, Tell him to go affli right now, before the buff.
It made me delete my Warlock. So patheticly bad.
No i am not. Our warlock is demo. Was demo. Stays demo.