Classic Is Not Vanilla, if it was then they would have started in 1.0 and progressed as it was originally, not starting at 1.12.
If people like Jeff Kaplan were still working on Wow, we would have had a proper classic version. But eh, no one at Blizzard cares anymore.
Smaller raids, more mechanics. First tiers wont be that hard but overall it will be quite different than classic vanilla.
It probably costs to much for them as it would require more work and probably more employees. But proper patch progression would make things a bit harder for sure even if its old content.
I’ve never once heard an actual responsible adult use the term “man-child”, it’s only ever used by manipulative women or as a projection. Wonder which of those you are…
As for the topic itself. Of course your raid night is ruined once you lose your world buffs. It turns from fun competition into a mindless, boring gear grind where you will feel like an anchor holding your guild-mates back. You have to be dumb or pretending to be not to understand that.
Naxx will still be cleared by top guilds within first hours of release. Semi hardcore guilds will clear it first reset. More laid back guilds will clear it in 2 maybe 3 resets. Big deal.
You seem emotional. Why are you so needy?
Of course it’s not ruined, stop being a drama queen.
The raids are trivial even without the buffs, and many classes have no actual rotation. What competition? I promise you, nobody cares how much DPS you do with your Frostbolt button.
Just look at yourself, any rational player is completely bewildered at these people going mental over world buffs for content that certainly doesn’t need it. Spending hours to get buffs to clear content that can be done under an hour.
And that’s just to other WoW players. Try explaining that to someone who never played WoW before. Absolute definition of insanity.
I think so too. AQ is still abit challenge for us but we are a casual guild 9/9 and Viscidius is the real endboss in AQ40 imo. Huhuran was a joke.
I still put my faith in Naxxramas to give us some challenge.

And that’s just to other WoW players. Try explaining that to someone who never played WoW before. Absolute definition of insanity.
You’re so damn right, man.

I promise you, nobody cares…

any rational player is completely bewildered at these people

Try explaining that to someone who never played WoW before.
You seem awfully concerned with what others will think of you and your actions. I think you are closer to the woman than the man-child camp. Sad.

You seem awfully concerned with what others will think of you and your actions.
You look at his message, but you don’t see.
Too hard to help, sry.

Classic needed patch progression. I hope they will do that in TBC.
Do you really want stackable wbuffs/elixirs, Vanilla-style, all the way until 2.1? I for one don’t
We all wanted #NOCHANGES but we were completely wrong. BLIZZARD should have been given the chance to for example:
- Change world buffs to not work inside raids
- Have progressive talents and item stats like it was before
- Buff boss armor, resistance and hp values to address the player dps power
If the same #NOCHANGES thing continues to TBC, we will get some crappy Sunwell patch based game, where everything is already nerfed to the ground. There is no fun playing game like that.

well. 1.12 talents and itemization has a HUGE impact on things.
People will get quite a surprice, when there is no benefit of all this in naxx, since the game we play is the naxx patched version, optimized for naxx
Every single patch the same story:
Oh just wait for onyxia, to see how you wipe.
Oh just wait now for AQ40, wipes inc
Now the same story for naxx.
Yes. Unfortunatelly, Faillizard will fail to deliver Naxx too.
No hopes are left.
It’s a complete joke when guilds check out guides, come into raids with flasks, worldbuffs, minmaxed out af and then complain about it being too easy.
There are plenty of ways to challenge yourself if you want some challenge.
Complaining about things being to easy makes someone look pretty cool right? xD
Look how good we are man it’s soooo easy (spent countless hours in preparation for that easy task)…
Time for a reality check.

Every single patch the same story:
Oh just wait for onyxia, to see how you wipe.
Oh just wait now for AQ40, wipes inc
Now the same story for naxx.
Maybe, just maybe, different guilds have different experiences? Because at least on my server AQ40 has proved to be a much bigger challenge to most guilds than BWL, and I have no doubt Naxx will be even harder.
you don’t get it do you?
So far we have been playing overbuffed, for the current content.
The naxx patch (which we play) is the last there is. No more item buffs, class buffs etc. We are tuned for naxx. We will no longer benefit for 50% increase in dps and healing. Because naxx required this to begin with.
Which means, that the majority of guilds will never ever see KT.
No dps benefit from items and classrewamps, and more mechanics added to the bosses.
So far it has been tank’n’spank. ppl already suffor in AQ because bosses have mechanics added, even tho we are still doing 50% more dps than we should UNBUFFED!
Majority of all guilds are casual.
Only 5-10% play hardcore. And they will all clear naxx withing 3 resets.
The rest? losing their godrank? They will face hell in there.

The naxx patch (which we play) is the last there is. No more item buffs, class buffs etc. We are tuned for naxx. We will no longer benefit for 50% increase in dps and healing. Because naxx required this to begin with.
Putting aside the fact that right now we do NOT have a +50% increase to dmg/healing compared to what we would like in patch 1.10 (just go check the differences between 1.10 and 1.12, and tell me where you’re exactly pulling these numbers out from), you’re kidding yourself if you think Naxxramas won’t be steamrolled by the guilds that steamrolled AQ40.
Reality check: most Naxx bosses have less than 2 million HP, which means that they will die before they can even begin to be threatening. Anub’rekhan will die before Locust Swarm, Noth will die before the first teleport, and so on. Aside from Thaddius, Four Horsemen, Sapphiron and KT, no other Naxx boss will pose a serious challenge to any guild capable of downing and farming Twin Emperors or C’thun.
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