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And without the RDF I also don’t join for the social interactions, but for the marks. The social interactions just happen. Regardless if you run RDF or walk in.

Fixed it for you. It’s not a general truth, it’s just your mindest.

In my guild there was a girl playing with her sister and she was to afraid to group up with others, when her sister was not around. Sure you can count people like this on one hand, but for them it would be a nice addition to run dungeons with NPCs. For the general player this wouldn’t change anything, because people that run with NPCs wouldn’t have ran with a group anyway. So you don’t lose any potential players for your groups. Do I wouldn’t be opposed to it. But I wouldn’t need or use it.

You are just fixated on a very special kind of social interaction. Every other social interaction isn’t social for you. That explains, why you equate running RDF with running a dungeon with NPCs, even though it’s obvious, that a dungeon with other players is a social interaction in itself, whereas the NPC dungeon run doesn’t have a social component.

So I just can keep saying the problem is your mindest, that limits you to a certain kind if social interaction and prevents you from enjoying other social interactions.

While it’s true, that interactions in real life are different than interactions in the game, you missed my point. For me it’s not about bonding. It’s about having a good time. Bonding might happen or not, it just isn’t something I force.
I’ve met people on vacation I stayed in contact with, became friends and visited in their home country a few times, but with most people I’ve met in vacation I’ve just had a nice chat and that’s it.
In dungeons I also want to get stuff dune and have a good time. If bonding happens, it happens, but I don’t force it. And most of the time in the only bonding I have is with my guild, because of the reasons you just stated. The only people I spent enough time with to bond in a game are from my guild. But this doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy interactions with people I don’t end up bonding with.

  1. Yes people can be toxic to you in a game, but this isn’t exclusive to the RDF. And saying the RDF will increase this, is just speculation without proof and other people have other opinions.
  2. In a game an item can get ninjaed from you and in real life you can get mugged. In both cases there will most likely no retaliation for the culprit and you won’t get your stuff back.
    In a game you can be insulted as you can get insulted in real life. In both cases most likely nobody will ever notice about it and there will be no restoration for the culprit.
    In game you can get excluded or kicked from a group and in real life, if you do an activity with somebody they can also tell you to get lost or exclude you from that activity from the beginning. In both cases there is nothing you can do about it, you just go on with your life.

Social interactions are social interactions. They generally work the same way in and outside of the game. The only difference is, that you have less information in a game because nonverbal information is missing, which can lead to misunderstanding.
But the principles on how social interactions work are the same and people can be malicious to you in and outside of the game.

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Indeed speculations; just look how fun, non-toxic, engaging and inspiring ‘Random BG’ are ^^

The less that people invest, the less they care.
I myself want as little automated systems in a “Classic” MMO as possible, even on the cost of convenience.

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You do NOT know me well enough to know what I mean, and DEFINATLY not well enough to edit my sentences to make yourself look better. I thought we had a debate here, but if you are going to twist it around and make it seem like I said something I never said, this debate is over and that is the last post where I will dignify you with an answer. Come back when you can debate withouth lying about other people.

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You made a statement about the general community and I edited it, to show you, that this is just your opinion and not a general thing. But if you say it’s not even your opinion now, than it was a nonsense statement in the first place.

How is this a lie? This is the essence of your arguments. It’s not a general thing to not want to talk to people, just because they are from another server. If you think like this, than it’s only in your head.

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I was responding to a person that ment talking to someone on vacation had the same social value as grouping up with someone in RDF. I was making a point, saying it was not the same thing. People are perfectly fine playing the game all solo for what I care, but a lot of people that are pro RDF, are saying it’s social and when they compare it to RL interaction, I just reminded them it was not same. If you want to be mute in groups or play solo fine, but chances is I won’t invite you to my next group as I like fun social groups. If you don’t there is plenty of other people with the same mindset out there you can group with, or not if you prefer solo.

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Bro if i join a group on Wotlk without RDF, it’s not for the social interaction, it’s for my embleme and my stuff, and for the gameplay, no more.

Do you play the game currently ? Are you serious with that ?
What’s the diference between RDF and saying “LF last dps for” in the chat ? In the both case they are all random in my group.

This is ridiculous i’ll don’t answer to it.

Oh yeah let’s go join a discord for a easy dg that needs 0 interaction with each other and for 15min only and after that atl + tab quiting the discord and typing another serv on discord to join because another group oh yeah so cool so fun man.

Seems you don’t know nothing about Wotlk design.

If i want to do some s… in your group nothing can stop me, even more without RDF because i don’t have any Deserter debuff while you are stuck for 30min with RDF if you leave the group or kicked.

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Of course it’s not the same, real life interactions are more valuable. But I don’t understand the mental gymnastic you do to turn this into a point against the RDF.

Also I don’t compare the value of real life interactions with the value of in game interactions. I compare the values of different ingame interactions based on similar interactions outside of the game.

You just can’t keep arguing against it, because you know I am right, you just don’t want it to be true.

That’s not my point. This is just a strawman argument. I never said I don’t want to talk. I just said it’s not my goal to make friendships, I just want to have a good time. If we talk we talk, if we don’t talk it’s also ok, if we happen to become friends it’s ok, but this isn’t the sole purpose for running dungeons for me. It’s ridiculous to limit yourself to a certain kind of social interaction and say people, that engage in other interactions too are less social.

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Rofl you’re really grasping after straws aren’t you…

I’ll just link another post of mine… again

Can you once and for all just stop with that anti-social bullcrap. It has nothing to do with that.

And how is that different from now? Oh unless you usually just don’t do LFG and only with guildies/friends.
I’d be just as likely to chat with randoms in RDF as I would with randoms from LFG… oh wait, I’d be more likely to chat in RDF actually because then I would have a group to chat with…

Oh right. So you would not be nice to people because you have to type? Honestly, that is very much a you issue and wouldn’t be any change from now either then.

This says quite alot of you as a person, and how you see social interaction only valuable with friends or eventual friends.

For myself I can have a really good time chatting to people I know I most likely wont meet again. It’s just a good time socializing.

Yea you said that. But you also said that you don’t socialize with randoms because it’s a waste of time. I read that as you don’t really socialize outside of your cicle of friends.

Well ofc. If my main priority was to be social I’d give a friend a phonecall or a visit.

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You just said that unironically? Massive red flag of someone who is NOT a nice guy.

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I find it insane that this how people argue against it. As many people have said in other threads, even with RDF, you could simply opt to not use it.

You could also, if you have trouble with queues, spam LFG while you are signed up into RDF. Most of my RDF usage since the tool was first introduced has been with guildies or friends. Could we use the existing tool? Yes, of course, but we can also sign up to hopefully find someone in the RDF and enjoy the game (dailies etc.) while we are waiting. It’s a nice, added, convenience and doesn’t affect the group at all.

Toxic players exists, but it’s not the RDF’s fault.

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I never said that. I say most people are not intersted in putting in effort to socialize with people they get randomly lumped together with in RDF. I do socialize with people I invite to my groups, because I want to find out if they are nice people that I would like to group with again. Some are and I add them to my friend list, some are not and I just don’t bother with them after the dungeon. Aka, I won’t invite them the next time I make a group, because I didn’t enjoy being in a group with you.

[quote=“Jazem-firemaw, post:31, topic:373007”]

This says quite alot of you as a person, and how you see social interaction only valuable with friends or eventual friends.
[/quote] I help a lot of random people, but I don’t enjoy being forced to play with people I don’t care about, and getting less benefits if I choose to play with my friends. And to be honest, most of the time I tried to talk to people in RDF, they didn’t care, they just wanted to GOGOGO and finish ASAP. After too many of those groups you stop making an effort.

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The people who play games are just as real as the people you meet on vacation. I’ve made friends in World of Warcraft who I have then met in real life, and I’ve met strangers when abroad who I have spoken to and then never talked to again.

I would say that the interaction that resulted in me getting a friend was more valuable than the spontaneous conversation I had with some stranger, even if the former interaction was through a digital platform (in this case, a game).

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If there is an npc giving 10k gold for free, would you use it? And would you use it if at least half the player base was using it and inflating every price?
“Given the chance, players will optimise the fun out of a game.”

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Uh-huh. And what about the rest of my post? That wasn’t even an attempt at arguing.

EDIT: With what I wrote in addition to that one line; my proposal is that everyone can keep the cake AND eat it too.

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Your argument is lacking. Because it leads to a paradox. If everybody would use this NPC, gold would become worthless, because everybody has access to unlimited amounts of gold. Therefore people would stop to use gold to trade and therefore wouldn’t use the NPC anymore.

So I will show you a better metaphor, that was originaly made for the exact same argument you are naming, but actually works in favor of the RDF if you start to think about it.

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Not entirely sure what that rant and wall of text was about. Was it a plea to introduce RDF ? Was it an anti GDKP/Gold seller/Bot rant ? Was it a whine about bad PUGS ?

Someone once told me that WoW was a RPG played by people that didn’t want to play an RPG. If you insist on doing the solo play/PUG thing then you have to accept the downside.
But you could always join a guild or even make one yourself to achieve your aims in the game. If you don’t want to do that then I’m afraid you’re going to have to deal with the consequences.
Blizzard aren’t here to nanny players that can’t help themselves and somehow think they’re entitled to perfect PUG’s and whatnot.

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Talking from knowing yourself or what? Hard to imagine that there actually is nice friendly people?

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So not at all any different from now without RDF then in my experience.

Jesus… That sad old argument has been debunked several times over. Just go and catch up on all the RDF threads. Not gonna debate that again…

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Even without RDF i don’t care if you are talking, if you are asking something i’ll try to answer you if i can, but i don’t care about joke in Disneyland mode “Yeay guys :smiley: this is so cool isn’t it ? :D” and blablabla
I’m here to get my embleme and my stuff.

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What ‘sad old argument’ ? Please be more specific.

Problem with WoW is that Blizz have encouraged and pandered to the lazy entitled player that seems incapable of socialising and making their own groups or guild and these players are now being exploited by the gold sellers (who are mostly behind all this GDKP rubbish).
RDF just makes it easier for them to rip these players off as well as pandering to those that can’t be bothered to actually find the instance entrance and just want to sit in a city and wait for RDF to do the work for them.
Of course these players expect to be in a PUG that’s fully optimised/BiS/Expert players and when they don’t get that will make endless forum threads about how ‘toxic’ ans useless these players are and then complain about everything else.