Classic lacks end game content to keep you engaged

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I feel like classic lacks a lot of end game content to keep you playing wow. If you’re not interested in doing pvp ranking, which now requires an insane amount of time, you pretty much only log on to do your raid once or twice a week.

I feel like this is to a degree worse than vanilla was, because in vanilla you could at least pvp for fun. In the first 4 expansions of wow i’d regularly que battlegrounds just for fun, and part of my motivation for gear was pvp related at times. The thing is now battlegrounds are not fun. I remember when classic came out i thought i’d not want to push ranks, but i’d play wsg a lot just for fun. Haven’t touched it in weeks, because if you que solo there is a 90% chance of vsing a premade, and getting hopelessly stomped.

To me it just feels like after i raid, there isn’t to much to do. AV is 10 times better than it was with actual pvp now, but it’s still not what i’d call fun. Especially with the mentality of players

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Classic is not for everyone… What you say is not true… You can level alts, farm recipes for professions, farm Gold, do some wpvp… There is plenty of fun things to do, maybe Classic just isnt for you. Right?

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But I’m sure his own custom tailored made version of Classic would be awesome for HIM.

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Classic as it was in 2004 would be perfect for me. Just i do accept that is never coming back. I just wish blizzard would try and make it closer to what it was. Blizzard stops add on developers from developing things against the spirit of classic, because it recognizes that add on developers have changed a lot since 15 years ago. Just because they could technically of made it 15 years ago, doesn’t mean they should make it now.

I just wish blizzard would accept the player base has changed just as much. Then make changes to try and maintain the spirit of classic, even if not the exact numbers.

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Instead of trying to recreate Classic 1:1 they should have just focused on making a game that maintained the spirit of what made Classic so popular.
Look at OSRS, bunch of changes and additions yet it’s still extremely popular with both old and new players and is growing by the day.
What’s Classic going to do? Putter along until we get to Naxx and then what? What’s there to do?

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Yeah, a remaster would have been awesome… But the nochanges crowd had their panties in the bunch… We live and learn, than again I am sure there is a couple thousand players that got exactly what they wanted and will continue to play Classic for many more years.

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inb4 WoW remaster would have been like warcraft: refund…i mean reforged.

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A remastered version or a carbon copy of vanilla would both have worked, vanilla copy people wouldn’t be able to complain as that would literally be it! It is how it is!

Remastered again would have been fine as that allows for tweaks and changes and keeps the essence of vanilla but is open to changes be it big or small.

What we have is Frankenstein classic, a half arsed butchered attempt at a remaking a gem!

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On the account your posting on right now you have never ever touched Vanilla. What in world do you even know about Vanilla?

Seems to me your just another retail warrior projecting.

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If I had to guess from what most people write in this forum about what they remember from the vanilla spirit, and understanding experiences may differ for everyone, I would still be very sceptical that most of the posters in this forum advocating for changes ever played vanilla from 2004-2006. Many of them lie pretty sure.

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Is this a surprise to anyone, really?

Restart from fresh servers, move to TBC servers or stay on existing Classic servers and enjoy farming Naxxramas forever? I’m pretty sure 90%+ of the current playerbase would be satisfied (i.e. wouldn’t unsub) with this choice.

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Remasters are generally just the same game with (often optional) updated graphics and sounds. StarCraft: Remastered, for example.

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Hey there! Sorry you feel like that! Like a few have said, maybe it just isn’t for you then.

Pvp in Vanilla shouldn’t be approached alone, you need to get a group together like you would for a dungeon or raid.

Try an Ironman/hardcore mode challenge. Try and get a raid together to kill one of the opposite factions city boss.

Level an alt or play another game in the meantime. There really is a lot to do if you just try and open yourself up to fun. I think players these days feel they can only do things that they get some kind of progression from. Just chill and bum around. Get lost in the sandbox.

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People make posts like this all the time.

Please use something concrete instead of all this vague; “It was so good when it was good, but like… Things have changed. Things are just different and changes are left right and center. If only things has been made as good things all these bad things would not be so bad.”

Please. Again. What do you think has changed and what would you like to be different? What was in vanilla which isn’t here now that you are refering to right now?

And don’t say 1.10 AV or people’s mentality.

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No.

Classic lacks end game content that keeps YOU engaged.

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Sounds like a strange anomaly.

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https://www.projecthorseshoe.com/reports/featured/ph18r8.htm

^ These will explain to you why you’re not as engaged as you used to be.

Retail suffers from the same problem, essentially. You just don’t have any social reason (which many people are often unaware of being a thing) to be queuing BGs if you’re not in a premade.

It’s unfortunately a downgrade in the social design (and consequently the potential for immersion) of BGs compared to what it was like in vanilla.

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What people forget is raiding wasn’t the end game of vanilla, it was part of it for sure… but not everyone got it, or even got far into it…
People hung around in vanilla as a giant chat room as much as anything else… it wasn’t unusual to find full t2 people running scholo / strat randomly. Helping random people who /w them randomly while they happened to be standing in Ironforge or on a bird in a particular zone
People have forgot that aspect, this 1 and done, The I have my Pre BiS, 5man content can get bent I’m never setting foot in here again mentality didn’t exist back then. It’s like how you play the same maps over and over again in single player games back in the day. That was the gaming culture of the time and not the culture of me, myself and I we have now. I can vividly remember playing my hunter Which was pushing T2.5 content at the time helping random people in pugs wearing greens and blues in scholo just because I wasn’t doing anything better and it was fun to see what I could peel and solo. That wasn’t me being altruistic or anything. It’s just what people did.

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Do you have lack of consumables? I think you do.

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I feel you on PvP. In Vanilla you could solo-que and enjoy a battleground vs other randoms but also face premades. Now it’s 90% premade which is sad from my perspective but completely fine if you are chasing ranks, since that’s your objective.

I feel you, you just want to do 4-5 WSG vs other random players and have a good time, not getting stomped by premades or vice versa. Winning all the time isn’t fun.

Ups and downs for Classic from my point of view:

Ups

  • Leveling experience
  • Community
  • No fly (makes the world feel alive)
  • No LFR/LFG/xmog/Garrison/ 1 mil mounts / Achivements
  • PvP Class balance (each class is unique) -> Compared to last 4 expansions where every class had stun, sprint, heal etc. That’s just not fun.
  • 40 man raids
  • Professions matter a lot and very helpful
  • 2 huge continents to play on (not just a small island)
  • Proper World PvP (not p2 wpvp)
  • The world feels alive. At every level you’ll find players leveling

Downs

  • Mid/Maxing not that I blame the ones who do this but eventually you’ll get burned out and not enjoy the game because u rushed (been there)
  • Too many premades / No Pug or Premade option.
  • Imbalanced factions (feel you Alliance brothers)
  • Lag, lag, lag and lag (this is Activision greed)
  • Bad AV version
  • Hardcore mentally passed down to others

And the biggest one for me is…
All of us used to be different persons back in 2004-2005 (I was 14 years old back then) we were more calm, friendly, had the patience to help others, discover the game, play the game as an adventure.

I completely understand that’s due to not having pressure from irl, kids, wife etc. and a lot of time on our hands but as a whole, we changed alot during these years to the better of worse and also the world around us.

Of course you will not enjoy Classic end game content if you previously played MoP, WoD, Legion or BFA because they are very different.

Remember, back in 2004 it took players 1 year to get to 60 or half and year depending on the knowledge, the leveling experience was a huge part of the game and then you’d move to Dungeons and Raids.

Nowdays people get to 60 in 4-5 days, 1 week or month. It took the slowest players in my guild to get to 60 in 3 months in Classic and he could only play 1-2 hour per night due to his kids.

If you don’t enjoy the current state of Classic, take a break until more content is released.

Anyway guys, at the end of the day its just a game and if you’re not a Streamer don’t take it too seriously even if we all tend to do this mistake.

Cheers :slight_smile:

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