Classic WoW Review / Rant (Long Post)

Having played classic for 5 days I decided to make this review of my experience for anyone interested. I stopped playing saturday and I’m currently lvl 35 on my human priest.

#Start Rant

Launch - It was a #$%@storm, as anyone with half a brain knew it would be. Blizzard launches are a meme at this point. I was well aware that the queues would be ridiculous and that the lagg would be immense so I quickly swapped to the low pop servers that showed up 1 hour after launch. Even in a low pop server with layering it was still laggy and there weren’t enough mobs to exit the starting zone fast, by the second day of launch I was around lvl 14 and my low pop server was now high pop and had 2h queues to enter on peak time, since my real-life friends who play with me couldn’t play after work due to the queue, I resorted to make an alt and solo play when they aren’t logged (my alt is now 35 and my main 14 since they have trouble logging in).

I feel bad for the people who took time off work to play this game during launch, but let’s be honest if you still expect Blizzard to do a proper launch, at this point you really deserve what you get. What else if there to say? I find it sad that a multimillion dollar company can’t launch a game better than a couple of guys hosting a private server, I find it sad that the managers who get fat pay-checks thought it was a good idea to start classic with 2 pvp servers. And above all im disappointed in the queue times, I thought the whole point behind layering was to ensure that there would be no queues, I assumed they could just make more layers and accommodate more players. Why even allow people to make characters in full realms if layering wont fix queue times? Why not allow transfers?

So yeah, I guess we are now stuck with both layering and queues.

Questing - Questing is as fun as I remember, areas like wetlands and duskwood make me feel happy about having rolled alliance, I actually enjoy having to travel the world looking for quests as opposed to just having to complete one zone, the only problem I have had with questing is related to the players, its very hard to make friends in the game, most players will group with you in order to kill elites and that’s about it. After the quest is done the group is disbanded and everyone goes their own way, most players i have met have no interest in even communicating or helping others. In duskwood I remember grouping with a 29 priest in order to kill mor’ladim, since he was lvl 35 elite we couldn’t kill him and asked the players right next to us for help, i asked 3 players, 2 didnt reply and the other one said he was “busy killing skeletons”. Eventually we found a 3rd member and killed mor’ladim but the fact that most players refuse to stop their grinding to help you even when they are at viewing distance says a lot about the current state of the community.

Another example was when I was doing RFK and the warrior needed help doing his warrior quest, after the escort quest was finished everyone left the group i was the only player who stuck with him, it took some time but I helped him clear some trash and kill the mob he needed (Roogug).

Yet another example was when I was in gnomeregan and another player starting claiming he was there to “do the dungeon” and not to “do the quests” when the rest of the group was going for the “rescue techbot’s brain” and “data rescue” quest , eventually he left the group despite the fact that it only took around 4 minutes to complete the quests.

All things considered it really makes me wonder why these people even play an MMORPG when they clearly have no interest in interacting with other people or being helpful. As an honorable mention I feel like i must also mention how disgusting the raid groups farming dungeons are, and how pathetic it is that people who raved about classic for so long decide to do nothing other than grind dungeons OMEGALUL.

PvP - I regret having chosen a pvp realm. I was aware that horde racials are overpowered and superior to their alliance counterpart, I was expecting alliance to be outnumbered by the horde, i understand that sometimes you’re just gonna get ganked and camped, sometime you’ll even have to swap zones and grind it on the mobs because you can’t quest. Despite all of this I still rolled on a PvP server because i was at least expecting to have some old fashioned vanilla pvp, where struggling players who get camped eventually group up to form a party or even a raid and fend off the opposing faction in order to finish the quests in the area. Sure, you might waste a whole day to get 1 level, but as long as it was a fun experience who cares?

Sadly I had no such luck, as I walked into Kurzen camp in STV i was ganked by 2 horde players, the 2 alliance players in the area refused to group up with me because they were friends doing a “drop rate quest” (probably the medicine one), as a result i was singled out by the horde, despite this we still kicked their @$$ as they sucked and it was pretty much a 3vs2 at that point. However after the alliance players left (the 2 horde had also given up at that point) a new group of horde showed up and proceeded to camp the area, amazed by seeing so much horde and no alliance in the Kurzen area, I checked the who list to see how many allies were in the area, according to the who list there were at least 50 lvl “30-33” alliance players in STV which brings me to the next point.

Layering - Holy &$@#, who the hell thought it would be a good idea to have layering in classic, I knew this would be awful but somehow its even worse than I thought, just knowing that there might be players i can’t encounter who are facing the same struggle, knowing there are players doing the same quest I am doing that I can’t see. And let’s not even talk about the players killing the same rare mobs 7 times in a row or farming the same rare material several times. There are probably epic fights going on in STV that players will miss because they happen to be in the wrong layer and the same can be said about several other events.

Everyone knows that layering is bad for the game, I’ll just add that considering the record blizzard has shown, I would be surprised if they actually keep their word and eventually remove it from the game.

Community - This is the biggest problem, as mentioned before most people i have encountered so far simply have no interest in actually playing an MMORPG , you might say im gatekeeping but the truth is it makes no sense to yearn for the classic experience and then simply aoe grind mobs while ignoring other players when they ask for help. Maybe I leveled too hard because I was on vacation and the #truegamers are the ones currently lvl 14 who are picking up peaceblooms in Elwyn Forest, maybe the players grinding mobs who don’t reply to me are chinese drones boosting characters, who knows? But so far the experience has been quite negative.

At this point my hype for classic has completely died out (it was never that big tbh), last time I played was on saturday and stopped at lvl 35, leveling in desolace where pvp doesnt seem so bad.

Since i have a sub i’ll probably reach lvl 60 before the end of the month. But to be honest if i could get a refund I would probably just stop playing right now since it feels like I’m paying for an easier and layered version of nostalrius (apparently raids are easier in classic)

I love classic but the game is old and flawed thus the community centered gameplay is the only redeeming aspect, if the community is bad then there is no point on playing it.

Conclusion - Currently i am seeing players ignore other players who are about to die to a pack of mobs, I have even seen players ignore others getting ganked by horde and just keep on running. I’ve been in a group where the party wanted to kick some guy because he was about 1 minute away from the elite quest mob. People are playing as if they are competing for world first despite the race being over a long time ago.

Unless the second wave of levelers has a completely different mind set I don’t see the game succeeding long term, i understand that its old content and that the 2006 experience will never be replicated but i still expected something more enjoyable. I feel like most players wouldn’t help me questing even if i paid them gold and frankly i just don’t understand what those players are aiming for.

# End Rant

P.S. - In case you didn’t understand i actually enjoy the classic game as a whole, it’s mostly the community I have a problem with, I leveled on Nost etc… and I actually think it was a better experience on those private servers. I belive layering splitting players in half and ruining world PvP and the sense of a world community might be the biggest problem with the game right now.

I still hope classic succeeds and that some other companies / Blizzard get inspired to make new proper MMORPG’s with the old-school feel and revive the adventure and rpg elements instead of the arcade style raids where all you do is down bosses with fancy mechanics.

P.P.S - I am aware i might have been unlucky and that other players might have had better luck on meeting nice people, this is a rant about my personal experience and mostly layering.

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its just the first 6 months that it looks like this, but once everyone played through it they will calm their sht
You have to see that its a completely different game for those people as a whole
its like people who only know Zelda Ocarina of time from Speedruns, than they “buy” the game and play through it while trying to channel the big ZFG but won’t ever really “get” it

Its also part of the modern society as whole, which started already in 2004 but wasn’t nearly as bad as it is today, political correctness (and this goes far, far far beyond just who uses “f” words or “n” words and the likes)
Its the same effect like you can see on popular concerts, everyone standing there with their phones out, you have to imagine, i was at a Rammstein concert in 2013 and everyone looked at me like i was out of my mind for trying to mosh around a bit
so weird, this effect also is very much related to “watching twitch streamers”, they don’t want to play themselves anymore really, they just like to watch the “best” ones and then do exactly as they do because it gives them a feel of accomplishment(? idk)
Imagine a game like broken sword coming out these days, there would be just one guy playing through it and uploading it to youtube and the rest of the people would mostly just a) watch the youtube video or b) watch the youtube video and play as they’ve just seen it.

Thats just how it is, we’re also in this in a way because we want to play a game from 2004, because the modern world sucks so bad.
You have to life with it, laddie :3

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Is there really people who watch Zfg but not played OoT?(completely off topic but)

oh yes, you probably won’t believe it but there are people now playing classic wow that aren’t as old as the game

Yeah I suppose it was the very first game I ever played so it’s quite old by now, in game standards.

But I thought it was like one of the first classes in Gaming School, playing OoT.

Bring it on, sugar.

As expected and usual.

As usual.

As usual.

They (Blizzard) tried, maybe failed. But longer queues would be worse, for sure. Maybe implementing the Retail “cross-realm” way of doing things would be better though.

As usual.

As usual.

As usual.

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i agree with everything said here.
i think its the layering that is spliting the players but also alot of people have job and can only play a few hours a day.
when the weekend comes and i am forced into 15k Qs, i dont have time to help u with ur quest, i dont have time to explore, i dont have time for ur bullcrap.
i was unable to play the whole week becouse of blizzard’s incompetence, now its the weeekend and ive been waiting for 15 hours to log in, i just go into the game. im not gona go around with u on ur bullcrap. i want to get a few levels on my char becouse this is the first time im playing for the whole week basicly.
So i dont think its the players, i think its the layering and blizzards fault overall.
They already fok this up and i hope they dont get to keep all the people who came back for classic, they dont deserve them.

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Everybody is in a rush to get to level 60 what are they going to do when they have cleared all the content because its not hard most classic bosses are just tank and spank.

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Again, and I have said it before, especially focused around the community; I strongly encourage you to join a guild with people sharing the same mindset as you.

If I was not in one, I would easily end up discouraged as well, but in the right kind of guild, you can manage to capture the essence of what made the Vanilla community so great.

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I unironically think this will evolve into something similar like OOT speedruns where we will see people who will minmax it so hard that they make out the best routes they can find etcetc
especially now that there won’t be “updates” really anymore after a while

Yeah, as i mentioned in my OP i really don’t understand what the aim of these players is. Ragnaros and Onyxia have been cleared ,we already know that the end game content will provide no challenge.

Ailwyn, come over to Ashbringer if you’re not too far in. So far the community is rather lovely, we have basically skipped the whole AoE Mage dungeon farming even. I have seen ONE, ONE single group looking for that on Trade chat :slight_smile:

So far we’ve bumped into people in the wilds that were nice and helpful, there has been no trouble getting anyone to help. Passersby often kill your mobs or take aggroo of dying folks and all in all it’s neat.

I have a feeling smaller servers in general bring in chiller crowd. Where are you playing?

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You make a good point, I didn’t consider the frustation of players who get stuck in queues. It might be one of the reasons behind the anti-social aspect.

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give it two months and everything will be settled, everyone is just in a rush to 60 because streamers are.

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I can explain you the rush to 60, because I also was that kind of player.
You focus on PvP, your goal is to get BiS for the current patch (state of the game), because that way it is possible to stay at a high PvPing level.
The game for you, basicly begins once you hit the level cap. Then you start gearing (grinding out rep, profs, etc) to make yourself as powerful as possible in PvP. With PvP in mind, you don’t read quests, you don’t complete the lines, you just take the most efficient route possible, even if Solo. Nobody cares about world first, people care about being prepared for the launch of the PvP systems (honor). Playing for the sake of enjoying, taking it slowly, reading the story, immersing in the world is the other group of people.

The majority of players, esp. coming from private servers are aiming for PvP. Being very competitive by nature, these people also appear to be quite mean (or rude) when it comes down to the communication. In reality all they care about, is sweet PvP and the delicious honorable kills later down the line.

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Yes, I actually did not consider that either. Tonight my entire game time dissapeared into the queue.

Granted, I do not have much game time to begin with, but I can only imagine those, that have waited in queue for so long, that once they manage to get on, efficiency is what matters.

But yes, allow some months for things to settle. Though I do worry, what an 6 hour queue would end up being once layering is removed. Do they suspect such a large potion of players to abandon ship?

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Yeah, I started working today and it seems I’ll be left with a measly amount of time to play due to queues.

I really don’t know what they will do if enough people don’t quit the game. The only solution would be free server transfers, but i honestly think they will try to keep layers if the community doesn’t fight back.

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I can only speak for my own experiences, but: The people I met on the first day seemed focused on leveling as quickly as possible - I fell behind pretty fast because I simply had not enough time, and no desire to keep up.

I am pottering around, I level alts, fishing, cooking, and I just hop around helping out newbies. I’ve said this a few times already, but I simply don’t get the rush mentality of WoW. World firsts were made 15 years ago, and even if you’re now the first guild to down Raggi - it’s laughable achievement, because at 1.12, the game makes that much easier than before - and you’re missing so much along the way - particularly other players.

I mean, I would be lying if I said “I don’t get it” when I talk about those rushers. I get it, and I think Classic doesn’t have “it”.

…Also, yeah, PvP realm. There is a reason I rolled on the Waterlords.

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Thanks for the invite, I’m playing on Noggenfogger and sadly I’m too far deep already, i started working today and will only have time to play with my RL friends who are already in the same realm.

I used the OP to vent some frustrations but in truth I am still hopeful that i’ll meet some nice people in this realm.
I probably just had a streak of bad luck. If they allow free server transfers i might actually take up on your offer though :slight_smile:

Ailwyn, I play on Noggenfogger and consider myself a decent human being. I level with a friend Ive known for years or simply like to enjoy myself alone, but I do feel that having a guild with people that have the same mindset as your own is key to most of your problems.
If you do need some help and are within my level range (Sokaro priest currently lvl 15, Dylora hunter currently 22) feel free to /w me :slight_smile:

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