"Combat" addons gone in midnight end-game content

[Frieran-gehennas]

@Zdorovski-twisting-nether

How can they create a useful alternative interface if they can’t even fix a dungeon that’s been broken for a year and a half in the seasonal rotation?

Do you ask the garbageman where your deliveries are?

[Hanata-tarren-mill]

No, systematic cancer of WOW is players who don’t want to learn, improve their skill but think they deserve m+, mythic raid and 99% logs.

What this change actually makes is that casual players will have much harder time even getting into dung and raid.

If I don’t have a way to track m+ raiting, mythic raiting etc and know what player is capable of doing I will assume the worst and that player wont get inv at all.

[Aylish-emerald-dream (Aylish)]

@Skullfox-argent-dawn

the vast majority of players do not just stay casual wow players that do not engage end game content. at some point sooner or later they will reach a point where they will give this a try…

Only issue with that assumption, is that Blizzard has stated multiple times that the majority don’t do that content. The various versions of endgame was suppose to help boost those numbers, but how it is standing today I am not sure of. Don’t know when they made the last comment about it. Personally I don’t care, but I am certain they’ve stated multiple times that it is a minority that raids, so not sure where you got your “vast majority” from, but it might be out there in recent times for all I know.

[Azula-argent-dawn]

I would like to see the Auction House addons be broken as well.

[Aylish-emerald-dream (Aylish)]

@Arueshalae-tichondrius

but gearscore rings a bell

Think Gearscore came with WotLK, when we got itemlevels on our gear. Not 100% sure though, but I do not personally recall any speak of gearscore pre WotLK, and I was all about raiding those years.

[Lynlia-silvermoon]

@Aylish-emerald-dream

Isn’t that their whole point of their removal of these addons?

Yes. I am sure Blizzard can easily create a bug-free actually working alternative.
They are keen to “delete everything” but to actually create something in its place?.. we got dawnbreaker in S3 with bugs from S1 still…

[Nannexx-argent-dawn]

@Hanata-tarren-mill

What this change actually makes is that casual players will have much harder time even getting into dung and raid.

Wrong, because the new content (in theory at least) will be catered not around those addons anymore, but around Blizzard’s UI, which is developed with involving those addon developers. At least regarding those information Blizzard feels should be available to the player.
Everything beyond that is information that was never really meant to be needed by players, thus content needed to get created around those addon. Now content can be created to be completable by non addon players again.
Yes, addons never were a real requirement many years ago, it were the players that made it a requirement.

[Plamcia-argent-dawn]

Replace? I we have problem to find non toxic people to raid with. It is really hard to find people who will raid and are not toxic buttcracks and commit to raid every week.

[Ithildrin-mirage-raceway]

WeakAuras devs have thrown in the towel for Midnight (given the current proposal of addon API changes)

[Plamcia-argent-dawn]

I don’t like WA I was using it only to track my weekly proffesion things and use it if raid require it because boss mechanics was too complex (Dreadlords).

[Draghon-burning-blade]

But still if you got stable and workable tanks healers and some mechanic players, the core is there.

Don’t worry we all gonna make it, you will also make it. It might not be easy, but it will be ok, we just need system leadership and faith in better tomorrow. And we can continue enjoying.

[Frieran-gehennas]

@Lynlia-silvermoon

Yes. I am sure Blizzard can easily create a bug-free actually working alternative.
They are keen to “delete everything” but to actually create something in its place?.. we got dawnbreaker in S3 with bugs from S1 still…

Does your local dentist also pick up the garbage? The team working on the UI is quite obviously different than the one’s designing content.

If we are talking about addons alone, if they were delivered bug free, then why is there daily updates to addons with bugfixes and why did some addon start spamming hundreds of LUA errors during a raid boss a minute after we pulled? Some mysteries will never be solved.

If it’s confirmed not to be an hardware issue or external software/drivers causing issues in World of Warcraft, the issues are for the most part caused by addons that people use and not the game itself.

[Lynlia-silvermoon]

@Frieran-gehennas

Does your local dentist also pick up the garbage? The team working on the UI is quite obviously different than the one’s designing content.

Do you got some inside info how the work gets distributed and who does what down to the most junior dev at Blizzard?

@Frieran-gehennas

If we are talking about addons alone, if they were delivered bug free, then why is there daily updates to addons with bugfixes and why did some addon start spamming hundreds of LUA errors during a raid boss a minute after we pulled? Some mysteries will never be solved.

Most of them are and even those have issues gets updated/fixed comparably quicker.

Third. It also gives the general impression of WoW. Regarding your garbage man example. If my city cant provide a descent garbage service then it does not give reason that they will have the “best water utilities” either. Even if said garbage man is not personally responsible for my water/sewage.
Unless you, Mr. Sunshine, wants to argue that WoW has “the worst dungeon designers” but will have simply the “best of the line, industry standard defining” UI designers.
Sry, Sunshine. WoW doesnt give me any reason to be that naively optimistic…

[Hanata-tarren-mill]

Wrong, it does not matter how new content will be cattered around. We will simply look for previous content completion. When did you get mythic raid, or mythic+ etc. Did not get anything meaningful previous season? Well sucks for you, you dont get invite at all

[Frieran-gehennas]

@Lynlia-silvermoon

Do you got some inside info how the work gets distributed and who does what down to the most junior dev at Blizzard?

I’m sure they have these SEPARATE categories for careers on their website and Linkedin listed for no reason at all.

@Lynlia-silvermoon

Most of them are and even those have issues gets updated/fixed comparably quicker.

Entirely depends on the developer of the addon, yes some things might be fixed quicker, but you would have far fewer of these UI issues with the native UI than when you’re combining native UI with addons.

@Lynlia-silvermoon

Third. It also gives the general impression of WoW. Regarding your garbage man example. If my city cant provide a descent garbage service then it does not give reason that they will have the “best water utilities” either. Even if said garbage man is not personally responsible for my water/sewage.

Lol, hardly relevant to what I said. My comment purely was there to clarify there’s different department for two separate things.

@Lynlia-silvermoon

Unless you, Mr. Sunshine, wants to argue that WoW has “the worst dungeon designers” but will have simply the “best of the line, industry standard defining” UI designers.
Sry, Sunshine. WoW doesnt give me any reason to be that naively optimistic…

Can you stop with the slurs?

[Elecktra-firemaw]

Good riddance. I hope they break AH addons, TSM addon, and all which are not purely cosmetic.

[Lynlia-silvermoon]

@Frieran-gehennas

Lol, hardly relevant to what I said. My comment purely was there to clarify there’s different department for two separate things.

Name 1 department which does. Dungeons are bugged, class designers?..dont get me even started on that. For example sin rogue is bugged way beyond any hope and there isnt even a single acknowledgment that there is a problem…I am beyond hoping they will even bother to try fixing it.
So far, everywhere you look, you can see issues and problems and now you want to claim that their “UI designers” are going to do award-winning performance?
Again. I dont know where you are getting this optimism…

@Frieran-gehennas

Can you stop with the homophobic slurs?

Whut? I know that the weekends are here but at least make up your mind. Is it “homophobic” or “racist”? (saw your multiple edits).

[Lilíith-draenor]

@Draghon-burning-blade

I am pragmatic about the change. I wait to see the options of final product, and I know there will be a way to make it workable seamlessly.

No need to be hysterical:

• it helps nobody
• it changes nothing
• it drains energy spent instead on restructuralization

most of addon creators already tossed towel and decided that they cba to deal with this nonsense.

so technicaly there is nothing to be histerial about because we are going scorched earth route - nothing will work and the gaming experience will be sooo much worse then currently

but at least people who only do normal dungeons and lfr will be happy

next - amazing feutre for next expansion - wow auto-play

[Walkingdrip-antonidas]

@Lilíith-draenor

but at least people who only do normal dungeons and lfr will be happy

If you need WAs for mid keys and heroic raids, thats a player issue. The fights are all perfectly doable without any addons.

WoW will be fine and thats it. All the hysteria is hilarious.

[Frieran-gehennas]

@Lynlia-silvermoon

Name 1 department which does. Dungeons are bugged, class designers?..dont get me even started on that. For example sin rogue is bugged way beyond any hope and there isnt even a single acknowledgment that there is a problem…I am beyond hoping they will even bother to try fixing it.
So far, everywhere you look, you can see issues and problems and now you want to claim that their “UI designers” are going to do award-winning performance?
Again. I dont know where you are getting this optimism…

Well since you’re the expert on the subject you can give us all this information about these departments and list the staff members that simultaneously work on the UI and the content to prove your point.