"Combat" addons gone in midnight end-game content

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Actually not looking forward to midnight might be last expansion i play if they mess it up, and they already making it appear that they are about to make a huge mistake, there was a reason they un pruned abilities and now they go full 180 again big mistake.

Also addons aren’t problem difficulty is these addons are used because difficulty gets ridicilous miss 1 interrupt people get 1 shot, you giving players OCD addons adress that, the problem is the excess need for interupts then lower the needs for the interupts, and these addons wont be needed.

having more cooldowns and abilities is what makes healers and tanks less boring,
If you think people will tank using one button, ask those people why they do not wanna tank, its because its boring, spamming 1 button is also borring, spamming less buttons is also boring, better not prune at all because you just un pruned abilities for a reason, no need to repeat same experiment.

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Whether they’re visually pleasing or not is by the by. You’re simply enhancing your game using third party tools to get an advantage, this is especially important when considering PvP.

Not for a second am I claiming addons are cheating, but look at the optics of your opinion.

You’re wanting to change the way the game gives you information, SO MUCH that you’re willing to essentially play a completely different version of the game than what was originally intended.

You want all the information available to you in an easy to look at format. Well, thats not possible! Through playing the game, learning how mechanics interact and thinking about things you can still perform well.

Look at the alpha for crying out loud, rather than forming an opinion on nothing. They’ve introduced the things you’re talking about here:

  1. A built in version of WeakAuras, to track essential cooldowns (of your choice)
  2. They’re updating the UI customisation.
  3. There are new health bars!
  4. You can track your bleeds, DoTs, etc on those health bars!
  5. You can track debuffs in a more clear an concise way.

These are all improvements that are now baked into the game, so why would you need addons on top of that.

You’ve then moved on to animations, which isn’t this topic at all. But I do tend to agree, there is a lot of “stuff” going on. But thats part of the game, they’ve designed it that way. What are you proposing? “let me have addons so I can remove visual effects from my screen so I can get an advantage” - To me, that’s simply not fair for players who don’t do that.

Lets not get into a discussion about each others “cognitive load”, I’ve played the game a while, and I understand how it works enough to chat on the forums and give an opinion, just like you!

If you make the wrong decision in a split second, you will learn from it. You won’t make that decision again, you don’t need an addon to tell you that as it takes away from experiencing things, and experimenting and getting better without crutches.

Games like the Binding of Isaac are a prime example. You pick an item up, “oh no, that’s ruined my build! I’ll watch out for that next time”. You don’t just default to “I need an addon to tell me that something bad will happen if I do this”

Play the game yourself, figure it out yourself, learn from mistakes, and try to improve.

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Good. exactly how it should be

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i expect the option of “essential” that exists in the game options themself, to blend out everything besides the essentials…aka healing circles, things like anti magic zone and other beneficial raidwide defensives.

so your answer is “git gud of get screwed” so you have YOUR fun meanwhile thousands of other players will get screwed because they wont have fun anymore. very selfish.

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blizzard will see how many will participate in endgame without combat addons.
maybe this change will hurt them in the sub numbers they feel so safe with a little bit. that would be fun too

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doubt it, the vast majority of players, and VAST, dosent do that kind of end content, with or without addons, so the small number of whiners who leave will be compensated by returning ones and the new ones when the game will be a litle easier, to those winers i already say goodbye and bon voyage you wont be missed

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your wrong about the vast majority of players… it is natural in every wow players progression of the game. to reach a point where you ask your self. where do i go from here? I have done all the world content and delves. I have seen what the game has to offer. where do i take it from here?

the vast majority of players do not just stay casual wow players that do not engage end game content. at some point sooner or later they will reach a point where they will give this a try…

Now what is holding them back? well we all know the answer to that. its the bar of entry and skill. and we all know how toxic and flaming endgame content can be.

so we head to wowhead and youtube and learn our class and rotation. we learn the addons that can help us survive and we give endgame a try…

this? dead serious will prevent many players from ever. making that jump from a casual player to an endgame content one.

I can imagine wowhead will still help in the future. but without combat addons such as hekili for example? Your gonna have to pug and memorise your rotation by hand. You gotta know witch talents and stasts increases what abilities. and count procs and stats and everything a talent or an ability does in your head without help.

good luck with that.

in the end its all math and stuff. what talents amplefies what abilities and in what order do they do so. Good luck if you think your some math genius who can calculate this on the regular in combat like some super computer.

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many talents procs and abilities boost each other and are intertwined etc. How do you keep track of all that without weakauras or hekili?

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Will raids be easier for people who are colorblind like me? Because I don’t see shades of colors if they are near each other(If there is dark red and light red I see no diffrence).

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Is there not colorblind options?

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They don’t help much. I’m using them, but this is not much help in most cases.

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That’s a shame. I hope they add better options in that case.

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Addons like GTFO was really helpful because I get sound information and react on it. It is easier for me to react to sounds that to thigns that I see.

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Wow now im getting censor edited, and locked out from editing that post again to remove the censorship…how insulting.

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Blizzard will make the most basic thing a secret at 12.0, including “health”, “mana”, even npc “names” and “ids”.
At this rate, all Unit Frames addons will be killed.

Cooldowns will be unreadable by addons at all time.
Combat log will be unreadable by addons at all time.
Auras will be unreadable by addons in combat.

Additionally, addons will no longer be able to send any form of communication inside instances.

Gameplay “addons” will be limited to basically change some bar color or texture or scale. That’s it. They will be glorified configuration files.

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thats not true at all?

They will limit the functionality to reading the combatlog and the combat status in realtime, which is what most combat addons depend on.

UI addons are not impacted at all…dont spout news that are fake or back it up with hard evidence.

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My hard evidence is what I have seen on WowUIDevs discord with the PDF Blizzard sent to addon authors.

The only caveat is “stuff may change”, but at this rate, Unit Frames WILL be killed.
Mark my words.
See you in 3 months.

Here is a banger excerpt from this PDF :slight_smile:

Changes to Combat Log, Chat, and Addon Communication
Secret Values are not the only changes coming in Midnight. Combat Log Events are no
longer available to addons, and messages in the Combat Log chat tab have been converted
to KStrings to prevent addons from parsing the information inside them.
There are also some new rules that apply to communication while the player is in an
instance. While in an instance, chat messages will be sent to Lua as Secret Values, and
addons are not allowed to send communications to other players (either through addon
comms or regular chat).

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So you made it up, cuz you cant present proof at all. Gotcha.

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Great news. If you’re so good as you claim, you can do without any of those.

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okay thank you.