Dear Night Elf players

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I think the main issue with both of the heritage questlines is that they are races recovering from losing their capital cities and it would be good to see some progress towards rebuilding. Just some tents and structures around Lordaeron City using various assets that they created for WoD, Legion and BfA would give the place a feeling of the council having worked together to start to rebuild instead of just sitting on their laurels and letting blight keep seeping out of the walls. As for the Moonwell at the end of the Night Elf heritage quests, why couldn’t they just go a little bit further and have the immediate area around the Moonwell look like it’s been cleansed with nature slowly regrowing. It was a bit jarring to be watching them celebrate the forests cleansing as cultists and demons wandered around right next to us.

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I don’t think it was bad, sure it would have been nice to see something more on the topic of Teldrassil but that’s such a big topic I would rather have a longer story about that.

I liked it overall. You were in Felwood, a place of great importance to the history of Kaldorei, you fought Satyr, an enemy of great importance to the Kaldorei history, and they wove together druidism, wardens and the arcane to show both traditions, history and the future. I really liked the notion of mages and that traidtions have to evolve, just like everything else.

It wasn’t bad, it just had all the depth of a paddling pool and not enough actual lore/heritage exploration for a heritage questline.

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The problem here is that the area is used for questing in Felwood, so they´d change the place for the sake of one race and mess it up for everyone else.

Night elves really got hit hard with Blizzard love in this case. Because our overlords adore them so much, they tied their story to the main expansion story, which in turn means that night elves aren´t allowed to get a story where they get a semi-capital city (Bilgewater Port, Echo Isles, Ruins of Lordaeron, basically a place that isn´t a real capital but serves as one for the sake of the story).

This means that while Forsaken get to move on from the hobo phase of their story into rebuilding phase (which still isn´t ideal, but it´s something), night elves are still stuck in the hobo phase.
And sure, they have towns all around the place, but when as a night elf player you have to use a farm in Stormwind as the main hub of your race in questing, existence of a fortress in Feralas isn´t going to mean that much.

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Turns out that when you’re growing an entirely new capital city it takes a bit longer than just ctrl+a->delete all the blight clouds they left in Undercity.

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Yeah but they didn’t actually need to grow one.

Hyjal and Nordrassil are like… right there!

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Effortwise from a dev standpoint it’s still creating a new city, whether they ‘update’ Hyjal/Nordrassil or make a whole new tree.

The actual location/story doesn’t matter.

Would NElves say “man wasn’t that cool! What a great moment!” if Nozdormu just reversed time on Teldrassil (but not all the people who died) so you got Darnassus back and it looked exactly the same as before it was burned? Is that preferable to an entirely new city of fresh assets and an integral story detailing its creation?

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I wonder if they’ll actually make it into a proper city instead of just leaving it as a sort of semi-finished content zone seen as it’s in such close proximity to Valdrakken being on the Isles and all. I have a feeling it’ll be another case of them saying ‘ah yes you’ve grown your tree but it is not your new home, it now preserves the dream hehe’.

As for Felwood, with the magic of phasing and an NPC standing outside letting you rephase to the old area anything is possible. It’s possible, the most prominent instance of smaller phased areas is how the Blasted Lands have the old phase and WoD phase. Surwich and the Tainted Forest used to be completely phased and empty but as of Dragonflight for the sake of the warlock questline, both the forest and Surwich exist outside the two phases.

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There were new assets placed there + in the Brill (including completely new model of building with Forsaken architecture in the process of being built), so I don´t think it would be more difficult to do something similar on Hyjal.

And when it comes to growing a new tree, it´s once again returning to the point of night elf story being in the spotlight causing a harm to night elves because without the seed, there could already be a new Lordaeron-like location for them.

Assuming there´s going to be a city and not just a new tree where dragons will get to hug each other after they save it from Fyrakk.

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I mean, yes, that’s what they’re saying is going to happen.

If you want to imagine the most pessimistic ending instead of the predictable one then why not go whole hog? Actually the tree burns down! No, it’s blighted! It turns into a blight tree! Because Tyrande goes crazy, chooses to become Forsaken of her own volition, and then goes on a blighting spree! Go nuts! When you’re imagining bad things happening the world is your oyster.

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So… if the tree becomes a place for dragons to hug, how is it a night elf win and new capital when it essentially boils down to a dragon story, with Tyrande and the night elves just bieng the messengers?

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I mean, given the Devs said a lot of things about the last two expacs, and looking how they turned out, I don’t think ‘predictable’ means what you think it means :stuck_out_tongue:

‘Pessimistic in the absence of any evidence counter to what we’ve come to expect’ is a pretty fair stance at this juncture, I think.

Edit: Speaking of revamps and capitals; Silvermoon being actually joined onto the continent proper and allowing us to fly post-revamp WHEN, devs??

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Well apparently getting an entirely new capital with a whole bunch of story is bad, so Silvermoon being left to languish in the Outland phase for nigh-on two decades is actually a sign of Horde bias on the dev team.

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Is that from some interview Blizzard did recently?

It´s not really pessimistic to assume that a tree which has been at the center of a story about dragons and is the new raid where evil dragon wants to corrupt it will end up being utilized for a story centered around dragons.

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So you’d be ok with the trade off of Silvermoon bieng added to the EK continent.

But then it’ll be destroyed, then rebuild, but when rebuild it’ll be moved away from the EK and become a (neutral) place where the dark, sand, jungle, forest, zandalari, blood, and frost trolls all come together to hug it out, and the area outside of the rebuild Silvermoon becomes an area that has world quests, and (probably) constant battles between hostile mobs?

Oh and the blood elves will be the “Army of the Sun”.

But hey, atleast they get an entirelly new city with all new assets so the blood elf players and Horde shouldn’t complain because the Blood elves get an entire new capital with a whole bunch of story!

/s

I always make it so difficult while so many of you are so much better with words :frowning:

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A bit?!

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Yeah, some gamers are absolute :dog2: :poop:

Then again, there’s enough unhinged orc roleplayers, or Forsaken, or death knights too, they’re just maybe a tad less visible :dracthyr_shrug:

I remember when gnome fans and their Alliance friends went ballistic because of how Operation: Gnomeregan ended :sweat_smile:

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While the insanity of nelf Twitter posters is clear to anyone normal, I have to say, out of all the reasons someone can have for wanting another person to lose their job, doing that job (in this case writing) poorly is the most normal one.

I personally would celebrate if Steve Danuser got fired, and the only reason for it is that the story has been quite bad for the entire time he has been in charge of it.

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If you’re asking me if I’d be fine for the Blood Elves to lose their historic home and get significant lore focus on creating a new one…yeah, that sounds pretty good to me.

It would be kinda retreading their Warcraft 3/TFT plot (albeit with a new city instead of rebuilding their old one) but yes I’ve not got a big problem with the idea of Silvermoon getting manabombed. Hell if it means we lose the Sunwell that’s even better. I’d be hyped for that.

EK wouldn’t be my first choice for a destination but it would be pretty appropriate as a homecoming of sorts, so that’s fine.

I don’t really see what the problem is with the New Moon stuff for NElves? Like it seems a pretty logical follow up from the Black Moon.

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