Death of Matthias Shaw and Flynn Fairwind

All of a sudden?
I thought it was known about them for a decent while now. You even acknowledged that they had a close friendship over the course of BFA.

If you think this is a forced gay relation then you’ll say anything is forced. You’re acting like the only acceptable gay plot line is for a new born to come out of the womb wearing gucci, snapping his hand and saying oh darlin’ that nurse outfit does not suit your complexion honey.

Are you an old man stuck in his stubborn ways from the 60’s?

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It only comes across as suchto certain people, and only because it’s new. It doesn’t seem forced to me at all, it’s perfectly normal in my eyes. Oh a character wasn’t gay before and is now? Well there’s this thing where people do not reveal they are gay for a plethora of reasons IRL as well. It’s called a coming out…

According to them that’s how gay people should act, like a stereotype. :roll_eyes:

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Nah i actualy do have the achievments to back up my claim that i actually do play the game, also im on the forums only when im mount farming and waitng for respawns.

Oh no i vulpera is doubting my gendre whatever should i do, should i send you V pics Mr Vulpera ? Just dont let mommy see them, you are way too young for those kinds of things.

I think he’s a bit too scared to explore anything outside what society deems as manly. He might like it and that scares him to the high heavens.

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I’m not talking specifically gay or straight romance, I’m talking romance in general. I don’t think it’s done well most of the time, and I think it in large part comes down to it being an MMORPG rather than a true RPG game.

We end up with these connections being only explored through additional material such as novels and short stories, rather than see much (if any) of it in the game itself. I consider that a bit naff, when one day, as an example, someone casually mentions how Jaina is now dating a dragon.

Show. Don’t tell. And that is something this genre of doesn’t do as well as others.

Are you even read what she wrote ??? She obviously hate white man…if you wrote something like that about any other race or gender you will not have an account atm…

Such a hypocrite you are you calling this dude homophobe because he dont like characters become gay but also you saying woman who wants all white man to die not hating on them. GJ

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“i’m not homophobic but these 2 gay characters are dead to me”

you’re just a vile, homophobic pos and that’s it.

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Yea, who would’ve thought this except LGBT shippers on forums. Well, they ship everyone who say hello to each other already. And they were friends not close friends, I don’t remember saying they were close friends, I said they had a friendship and funny interactions, does this make them eligible to be a couple without any foreshadow? This game’s story is tied to narrative and how good it is. Narrative was bad, there were no signs hinting at this relationship at all. Forced.

I know what I enjoy already that takes me to high heavens.

I don’t think romance has to be done well in games, I very much prefer this in the lore around games, such as books. It makes no sense to abolish relationships in games though, because that would just be weird. Imagine a fantasy world without relationship or love :eyes:

Look granted the title does sound homphobic, however the OP does claim that his real issue is that the characters were retconed, I can neither confirm nor deny if he is beeing honest but thats not homophobia.

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I am the most honest person on this forum, I assure you. I have gay friends.

True. Not to mention the fact that sexual orientation and partners often doesnt come up in day to day life. Im often shocked at work If I find out someone is married or gay or has 5 kids or is actually 50 and not the 25 I thought they were…just coz those things rarely come up when we are working!

I think there should be more relationships in WoW, not less. Characters really dont seem to have any kind of personal progression beyond that expansions ‘threat of the week’. It makes no sense that important characters dont have personal lives.

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it’s textbook homophobia lmao

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Not doing me any favours are you ?

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“Oh so you like to play with explosives, do ye? Then let’s play!”

But they were not ret conned. Sexuality can change first of all, but the two characters in question already had at least a “bromance” together.

OP’s core issue is that he is saying it’s wrong and unrealistic for two men to fall in love. Which is actually homophobic.

Ask yourself this, if Matthias fell in love with Cute Female Rogue #13 do you think he’d be complaining about spontaneous romance stories and how we didn’t get to see the events unfold over the years?

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If his claims are true that he would not mind new LGBTQ characters instead of old ones becoming gay, that is not homphobia. Homophobia would be not gay characters period.

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I love that everytime a gay character/couple pops up in the story everybody and their mother is on the forums like yeah i’m not homophobic or anything but i hate romance of any kind in any video game, even straight romanance.

but everytime we have a thing like thalysra/lorthemar literally nobody bats an eye.

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Sexuality doesn’t change. Some people choose to explore and discover new things.

People are just upset Shaw and Flynn aren’t your stereotypical “yass queen werk snap clap” crap they’ve been fed on by the media.

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