I totally understand where you are coming from, I have actually loved doing delves and If I could somehow have it as my only content I would be happy. I have done some m+ this season, but only enough to get my tier piece.
But fundamentally the delve gearing is a bit of a problem, though mostly coupled with the current m+ situation. It makes all but the very high end of m+ redundant, while leaving no way for delve players to progress more unless they do the very top end of m+.
They could make delves reward more gear, but itâs a gameplay thatâs almost impossible to balance fairly between all the specs.
Say they added tier 20 delves that rewarded mythic gear, the unfairness between a blood dk doing that and a holy priest is just infinite. Either it would become like m+ where only groups could do it, or if solo was the requirement it would add levels of imbalance never seen before.
I am not against delves giving good gear, all of my gear basically is from delves. But this is a game and I at least want to have some way to progress my gear. With the current situation a lot of people will cap at 619 and then have no way to upgrade but run m+9 for crests to upgrade further.
If delves dropped lower gear, but vault gave higher gear coupled with some reliable way to earn highest tier crests, I would play a lot longer this season. As it is, on 16 October I will be 619 in every piece and then further gearing is totally dead since delve maps that drop crests are way to rare. And I donât see myself pushing further in m+ since I only pug and this season for pugs are a bit too hard. The 15 crests Iâd get each week by trading crests is just too little to feel rewarding.
If anything itâs not rewarding enough. There are 3 difficulties that give no extra loot, which is pointless in a progression based game.
I am part of the chosen few worthy of the title of Immortal Spelunker and I had to rely solely on my own genius (and Brann) to prove myself as worthy. Where was the loot at?
Tell that to the people doing the complaints. They claim that they have 61X ilvl and they deserve to be invited into 8s because they got the ilvl it takes. With out noticing that they got like 500 rioâŚ
Im honestly BORED of telling people that they will not get an invite to GB7 if they havent timed it in +3 firstâŚ
See this is exactly why my keys solution works.
I am only 607(yeah I did not do much 8 s at start,Dh was not prepared for it) cause I stupidly spent my keys in pre season.
Also you have the Rng(I had 4 trinkets in a row).
Did you do them solo or in groups at start?
To be honest, I think Blizzard and the community dont understand the value of Pugging.
Even if you are in a guild. Even if you network, you cant always and reliably form the group you need. Sometimes, you are simply 4 friends and need 1 more.
So I agree. S3 DF was the best. They should roll back everything, including the M+ level squishâŚ
I did all my keys since start at t8 as blood dk. Opened 61 bountiful chests at this point, and done 10 delve maps for hero gear at t8.
61 pieces of champion gear + 10 hero pieces makes rng kind of redundant as well, no way youâll not fill out all your pieces. And since champion takes you to 619 which is realistically the delver ilvl cap, since crests are so hard to get, champ is all you need.
And if you want to say âwell you are a blood dk, ofc you can solo t8 easy every day while I have to actually play well and clench my cheeks every pullâ I totally agree.
But that is exactly while adding more gear in even more difficulty delves a terrible idea. Classes are way to different to make it in any way fair.
it was amazing social platoform feature in world where social platforms didnt exist.
but 20 years have passed. people who were 15-20 back then are 35-40 and dont need guilds for anything anymore .
want to play with peopel i know ? we schedule it on discord.
blizzard needs to drop this dinosaur mentality of forcing people into mythic raiding guilds by any means nessesary - it didnt work for last decade - it wont work now.
only thing it will make is make people quit playing wow and go play something else.
most people if percive mythic gear as something which have have to put literlay tons of effort it say â⌠it gonna play something elseâ - after all this whole gear will reset fully in 4 months anyway .
and with that m+ is dead now if blizzard dont do drastic changes very soon .
Not only dk but tank too hehe.You should have tried it with a squishy dps class and see the real clenching there.
Yeah there is unfairness in tunning between classes,I said it myself too many times.
But to nerf the gear delves drop will not achieve fairness but dead content.And solo players left in the dark again.
Also the rng gods loved you, if you got 10 mapsâŚI only got few of them on my alt,not on my main.
Not everyone is in the same situationâŚI am still progressing unlike you.
The crests in delves seem too few, but it is what it is.I am not complainingâŚ
Nerfing gear drops though I will never agree with.
Yeah I donât want to make it all about me, but I think a lot of players just like me will soon hit 619 from delves or having done keys 8 and below. Progression basically stops at that point unless you want to do m9 or higher, or mythic raid.
We are only 3 weeks into the season and for many progression will soon be basically dead, why even play at that point?
Not that I in this particular case is all that sad, Dragon age will soon release and being fairly done with wow before that is not all that terrible
But for people wanting to progress each week this season wont last long unless you are comfortable with very high m+
I hope Blizz decides to just not go into all this bs complaining about Delves, and all the crying about players who prefer doing Delves also getting something nice.
All this crying started when m+ started, players thinking they deserve more then other players, well newsflash, you dont. Maybe Blizz should fix this problem once and for all by just removing all the m+ and go back to normal/hc and only one version of myth.
As for the rest, t8 and up are not easy content for players who are gearing up especially not solo, for me on main its easy yeah but I invested time in that ( on several classes). Stop complaining and just go do what you like in stead of stating you deserve more then another group.
See the problem is you consider yourself the majority and me the minorityâŚAnd I donât think this is right.
I donât have the data,but the truth is always somewhere in the middle.
I might be the majority and you the minority.
Also did you say you do m+ low tiers too right?
You got crests from there and upgradedâŚyou are ultimately playing 2 forms of content.Ofc you are ahead of ppl like me who only did delves this xpack.
You are not the target audience if you do m+ .So your opinion and ideas of nerfing the drops are null and void.
You get champion gear from bountiful delves, those can be upgraded to 619. T8+ delves drop 2 Runed crests on completion so you need 45 delves each week to cap. Once you unlock the trade in to convert 90 carved into 15 runed you only need 38 delves/week to cap.
There are 28 bountiful delves each week, so you need to do 10 extra delves/week to cap crests. 10 extra is not that much over a week.
And each week youâll get a 616 piece in the vault, and should you get a bit lucky you find maps in delves that reward 610.
Balancing the game isnât punishing. Delves are just wildly overtuned in terms of reward for difficulty. 6-7 guaranteed drops per week, chances of maps, and vault slots higher than the drops. Even for delve only players thatâs an insane rate of gearing that will leave you with nothing to do with months left in the season.
It was balanced when it came out, when the guaranteed drops werenât entirely sufficient to push to the next level and you had to rely on vault or map loot to gear up towards progress.
Now, itâs wildly out of whack given the length of the season.
Delves are easy, if you are the right class which is one of the problems.
I have done t8 since it was available and have not yet bricked a single run as a blood dk.
One of the biggest problems with delves is that the balance between classes is worse than I think any piece of content has ever been. At least Thorgast could somewhat balance class kit by giving unique class powers that bridged the gap.
If you hit 619 you can get 45 gilded crests per week from heroic raid and the conversion of runed crests. Sure, high keys would be faster. But progress certainly doesnât stop, you can max out 1.5 hero track items per week, or make a gilded crafted item every other week.
