4 delves each day is hardly no-life, to then do 10 extra each week is fast. I can do t8 <10min each at this point. And I actually enjoy the gameplay of doing t11 just for fun, on that delves have really hit the right difficulty spot, at least if you are blood dk.
Are you sure? Isnât the conversion more along the lines of 90 harbinger crests to 15 gilded?
In which case you can earn 15 a week.
Youâre spending 8 hours - and thats at a very optimistic "they only take 10 minutes). And each time for only 2 crests. Each to their own but an hour + day JUST on delves for no reward other than 2 crests a pop, thats very no-lifey to me.
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4 delves a day? You said 45 per week. That is more than 6 per day. It is great you can do them in 10 minutes though. I need about half an hour to solo per delve 
I am happy i managed the 5 for the week 
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They should do that the gearing is all front loaded then too stale to level. My Guardian is OP as heck in t8 at 609 (with 3 tier), heâs 10 ilevels off being max Delve level. There is no benefit to doing a 9,10 or 11 as they donât even give extra crests or Brann exp.
Spamming 8 is OK because I can just pull tons and it makes it more exciting. M+ was DOA for me even though I tank and prefer to make my own groups.
I will be trying to get the all Delves at t11 achievement for fun but I am a grindlord and I usually grind crests, which Blizzard have effectively killed.
45 is if you donât convert carved crests. Once you can do that you âonlyâ need 38, 10 more than the amount of bountiful delves that are up each week.
If you just do the 4/day + convert crests you get 71/week. Can do 2 easy +4 keys to cap competently then.
38 is still more than 4 per day (5 and a half). And well, for me that is ~19 hours of playing delves, just for crests. For everyone 19 hours playing in a week is different, but for me it is not worth it on delves only.
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I like doing both i dont need someone else deciding where i can get gear from or where not.
Delve gear is only 603 anyway unless you get a map and its 610.
I run 8 delves and 8 m+ each week untill im geared on my main and do some on my alts.
When you start paying peoples subscription you can decide what they can play and what not.
You wont get invited to a m+ if you dont have any score people can see your score and the amount of m+ you done and timed.
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Wanted to actually see how fast I did a delve so did a try. A bit under 6 minutes while killing all the empowered packs in a t8.
Some delves will be faster some will be slower, and not counting travel time Itâs like 30min playtime each day to clear all 4 bountiful.
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Youâre 616 and a bdk. Go do it on a rogue or feral druid. Your assumptions are wildly optimistic for the playerbase.
Agree to disagree.
And thatâs coming from someone who has suffered because of a certain part of the playerbase wanting âbalanceâ at the expense of players like myself over and over and over again in the past 8 years or so.
No more. Work out your own issues in your own system. Stop trying to ruin other peopleâs fun for your own fun.
Fix M+. Keep your hands off Delves.
Now, having said all that: I do think that Delves had unbalanced gearing at the start of the season. First of all stacking of keys shouldnât be possible. Worldsoul memories can be cheesed and give too many keys then imo. And M+ shouldnât have started a week later; that was nonsense.
But as for messing with the rewards or making delves more difficult: No. Stop it.
Go ask for M+ changes.
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No itâs one of the points Iâm trying to make to all those who want delves to give better gear. For some classes itâs an absolute joke even at t8, the class balance has probably never been worse in a piece of content.
I would want them to reduce the level of loot that drop in there, maybe compensate with higher or keep current vault reward.
Any thoughts of making harder delves for higher rewards is a terrible idea, the difference between classes is massive.
The earliest they can make drastic changes is now s2, they (and sadly by extension us) must reap what they have sown as people have already farmed some keys this season.
I agree drastic changes are necessary, and I go back to âwhy on earth did this issue not crop up during testingâ
As guilds being dinosaurs, in my experience this simply isnât true, guilds still have their place.
I reckon both Torghast and Horrific Visions were pretty much on-par with Delves for being problematic for certain specs solo, but we do have the option to go with a team and nullify this entirely. Even in pairs you take away a lot of the pain by having double the interrupts. Although I wouldnât want to go in as a holy+shadow priest duo 
As for Delves vs M+, gilded crests and mythic vaults feel out of reach and thatâs probably making people either frustrated or ready to give up. This feels like a season of get curve and unsub because dungeon content is so unappealing and inaccessible.
But thatâs not the fault of Delves for being too rewarding, itâs because M+ isnât fun, at all. Even without Delves, I would have no desire to take alts into keys this season - Iâd just be raid logging.
Blizzard once again said they were buffing hp pools, lowering healing, and reducing incoming damage while not actually reducing incoming damage. On top of that, CC/interrupt changes make it harder to keep mobs under control without strong coordination. Surprise surprise, pugs have a terrible time, even organised groups get weary of one-mistake-one-brick, and player morale and engagement plummets off a cliff.
Guess weâll find out if Blizzardâs internal stats say that change is mandatory. If other people are in the same mood I am, then Blizzard canât wait for season 2 to take action.
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Yeah you might be right, even if delves were less rewarding that would only work if m+ was easier and more approachable.
On the bright side, by making delves so rewarding a lot of people will in the coming weeks reach 619, and not wanting or not being able to get into m9 will just stagnate.
With it happening so fast maybe blizzard will do something to fix it before people such as I have nothing to look forward to by playing.
We can only hope that this lesson is learned for s2.
A +7 really should be on par with a t8 delve in terms of difficulty
Delves arent too rewarding.
603 champion gear is trash and most have versatility on them which isnt a desirable stat for many specs. As far as the occassional 610 Hero peices goes, i have gotten 7 maps in like 80 T8 delves and using exactly one of those items still.
As far as upgrading to 619, no one in their right mind wastes 60 runed crests to upgrade champions gear from 606-619.
Also, no one in their right mind runs 45 delves a week to get 90 runed crests lmao. M+ is still far superior to get crests.
M+ would have been even more of a sh*tfest if players had to go in with M0 gear, thats for sure.
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Jeez this topic picked up during the night o.O. but as far as i can see people still go back and forth going on the loot. but many do point out the rating and that people with high ilvl wont get in if they havent cleared earlier keyâs so i wonder. Why do some players still want to nerf the loot?
If it is as trashy gear as people claim. Then surely nerfing shouldnt even be a sugestion?
I donât know i feel like T11 was easy if you did it in a certain delve
for example you want free immortal spelunker?
do it on a BDK in a fungal delve where spores can literally clear all trash for you 
you only need to kill boss
thatâs how i did my immortal and it was the easiet t11 i have ever seen
you want to have easy time with ?? zekvir just roll some random RET paladin alt
and just kill it on like pull 5 cause your toolkit literally sink with all his spells.
I hate to say it but there are classes that will cheat and give you achievements that otherwise you would struggle
But i agree T11 should only be a challange
T10 should give you max gear
and Heroic GV
T8 is too easy to get items in Vault
I did Earthcrawl as Guardian. As the last boss is easy, eat the curse, dispel it and save interrupt for Runic Shackles.
I did have to keep trying (3 attempts) until the mini boss was one I could kill, in my case the individual who is mounted on a spider.
Iâm happy with the t8 loot I just think the higher difficulties should at least give more crests. 2 is pretty stingy.
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well thats what we are trying to find out. Since some on both America and EU realms screams for nerfing the gear. Or demanding it to be harder because it gives good gear compared to how difficult it is. i myself take my time to slowly work trough delves and strugles with them and dont find them easy. So i wonder why others claim it is super easy and why they try to speak for all solo/casual players as if we are all in the same boat and find it easy