Delves solution

Cheers and i hope you dont mind but i took your idea and edited it in to the post. The whole discussion has helped me see it in a more Mature way i should say?. Abit unsure on how to word it. But atleast removed my extreme ideas and took your simple idea and placed it in instead

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No I don’t. I think its cheap to blame everything on boosters…

Especially because it dosent affect my gameplay. So what if someone got a boosted CE ? Its just pixel ponies…

I respect this. :slight_smile: Gives me hope for these forums. :smiley:

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If they remove groups for delves, then a lot of people won’t play them anymore either. They just need to play their own game, which they clearly don’t, otherwise they’d easily tune those dungeons/delves. They have all the data and such and they just seem not to be able to analyze the data they have.

This was advertised as solo content so make solo content. By all means go in as a group but lower the reward for doing so. It doesnt need to be balanced for groups thats not supposed to be the point of it

This shows it was advertised as both a solo and group activity. As far as I am aware, it was never advertised as solo content only.

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Delves should have been solo only (Torghast 2.0, with actual rewards).period.
Plenty of forced group content already. If the path of least resistance is to group then Delves become pretty much group content. With the alternative to gimp yourself going solo. Like Monster Hunter in a way.

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Zskera Vaults, which I think you mean by Torghast 2.0, was solo but gave mostly cosmetic rewards, apart from a ring, if what I read on Wowhead is correct. So to me this is more akin to the Mage Tower, some challenging content for mainly cosmetic items, title etc.

Delves are offering a gear progression system, I don’t believe there are any other activities in WoW that gatekeep gear progression, so why should Delves be any different?

Some of these people genuinely feel like they don’t know what they’re talking about. The only solo-only such content was the vaults(as mentioned above) and I’m not sure that was called solo content either. Oh, Mage Tower too. I’m not sure about the withered training because I never got to try grouping for it.

Visions? 1-5. Though scaling made it easier solo unless you were a rogue or something. Groups were very viable and safe regardless. Plus it’s just fun to join a friend.
Torghast? 1-5. Again, solo felt better to me but the group option was always there for everyone and I’ve done hundreds of runs with others for fun.
Delves? Yep. 1-5. There’s a pattern here. And they’re currently easier solo too, especially with Brann as a healer erasing most of the damage you take. Still great fun in a party.

So why is it that suddenly almost every single forumer gatekeeps this content while having no idea what they’re talking about? :dracthyr_comfy_blue: if you’re having trouble try playing with others, maybe hit up someone to play duo. Ask your tank buddy, be the tank and let others dps, try healing, whatever. Please just do something other than complain for a bit and maybe you might actually clear it too. And grouping would be amazing to allow you that.

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They shouldn’t be directly comparable, as in, those groups taking their mentality into delves and wanting tuning to be reflecting of what they experience in that other content.

Delves should be more about fun and personal skill, not really the end-game carrot on a stick drive to constantly get better gear and never be satisfied with those results if they’re being directly compared to more hardcore/end-game content. Then it basically becomes a mini-dungeon for them.

Wrong.
The people who delves were made for would still run them.

The people it would drive away more are the people who should only be there by choice anyway. Which is fine; go do the content you really want to do.

I think an even better solution is:

Allow groups, but don’t give any progression when you do delves in a group.
No xp for Brann. No gear beyond the base ilvl. No bountiful chests in a group.
No progression towards the achievements. No progressen towards the delve track.

All those things for solo play only.

Problem solved.
People can still do them for fun in a group (and some basic rewards).

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I do hope you’re joking. Making people feel bad for playing with others would kill their interest more likely than not. Also what kind of mmo would punish people for playing together?

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Bad take (10 chars)

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I’d sooner argue that the other modes of content aren’t rewarding enough for their difficulty

Also as a tank Brann DPS (602 ilvl brann lvl 27) is absolutely useless
I switched him back to healer and I barely noticed a difference in DPS

As a tank before I would DPS brann so that mobs would die before I reach a situation where I’m shy of a defensive CD when I need it and then usually my selfheals can’t keep up anymore, but the healer does nearly as much damage (or maybe branns total damage is just that low that the difference is hardly noticeable) and is just so much more better with how much the potions heal.

The difference is actually really bizarre, I don’t feel like mobs die any faster outside of Brann using execute occasionally as a DPS then when I have him as a healer, but my survivability goes from ‘don’t run out of cooldowns’ to ‘immortal with good potion pickup’.

As for turning delves into solo only, or retroactively claiming the gear from players who for some reason are considered illigitimate by others because they grouped up, while the responsability of making that mode meet the challange requirements are fully onto blizzard and not on the players are absolutely bizarre to me, we’ve had mass exodus of players over less

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Why do people have this obsession with how other people get their gear?

No, the point is that majority of their gear is from delves despite complaining about them

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Because delves are complete Nonsense most of the time.

I would not group for them tho.

Now… I do not know your main or what Delve lvl you run, but your paladin is 580ilvl and if we are talking about Delves T8, you are vastly below the ilvl the game suggests… So could it be, that you are slower than the advertised minutes because you are running tiers above the recommended?

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Oh, I have zero obsession with that !

But its a comment that should be given to OP not to me. :slight_smile:

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Now i m not against delves in any sort of way. i like delves. What i m against is that it is just another dungeon where grouping is benifical. And the same type of players saying the Delves are to easy and wants blizz to change it how they want.

Well i as a solo player finds them challenging enough and rather fun. Also the person targeting my gear claimed i got it trough grouping and that is just wrong as i soloed the delves.

But if my post has made you think that i m against delves instead of trying to solve the tuning issue for blizz. Then i m sorry because that was not my intention