Damn i do not want to wait till next expansion for metamorphosis return. I came back just to play demo again in SL but itjust sucks in burst damage wise…it is just such a cool and fun spec…should be one of the most feared oness…sad…blizzard is just ruining it more and more.
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I’m pretty sad demonology is getting barely any changes in Shadowlands. As many say, even those who like summoning plenty of demons don’t like the current playstyle as none of them are really strong demons. I’d like to see:
- Felguard becoming a guardian, making it so that you can have your main demon and your felguard out so you aren’t locked into having felguard and no other demons as demonology anymore even if you take felguard based talents.
- Make wild imps a resource, sacrifice them to summon bigger demons such as doomguards who swoop in and begin slicing at enemies or demons like dark glares who really don’t make sense being affliction.
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If anything, I’d like to see demo turning into a powerful sustained damage class rather than its current BURSTBURSTBURST then weaksauce iteration. A constant stream of demons pulled from the nether to fight your battles for you brings to mind a picture of an inexhaustible supply of expendables that wear down enemies rather than someone who bank everything on axeboi and spikedad with lesser demons as background dressing.
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The way I’d like to see demo is different to yours. The idea of
feels a lot more Unholy/Necromancy Death-Knighty - a never ending stream of weak expendables that wear down enemies. Where as to me Warlocks have to invest time and energy to initially enslave the demons that they summon and therefore a small army of much stronger (survivability and damage wise) minions feels more appropriate to me.
Personally I feel the idea of a Demonology Warlock encapsulates flexability, where as Destruction and Affliction are more specialists in terms of the kind of fights they excel in - being amongst the top DPS on some fights and towards the bottom on others
Demonology is adaptable due to it’s access to a range of demons - and would therefore punch above average in the majority of fights.
Therefore you need more instant casts in pvp. With this much hard casting you are not more than sh*t. That’s why I want my meta back, it was much more fun and a real Demonology would not only pursuit the summons of demons. He also would think of transforming into one to use its power. And the zandalari already did this.
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So you said that a change to current demo wouldnt be nice for everyone but removing meta and the playstyle connected with meta wasn’t nice for us either. So what ur saying u don’t want to happen already happened to us… Both parties won’t be happy that’s why I thought of combining the both playstyle but all of the" pve demo is fine " locks don’t even think of both parties being happy…
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That is right, first i was harpy to have a summoner spec but after 2 minutes play i hated it. And wished blizzard would revert it back. Now they have the chance give us a lvl 50 talent in SL that changes Summon Tyrant into transform Tyrant.
yeah it happened once, that means they have learnt from the mistake and hopefully wont do it again.
but they didnt change it for the sake of changing it, they were bringing in DH which had a very similar mechanic involved with the idea of meta and such, so they changed it to make space for that.
Destruction warlock and fire Mage is also nearly the same, Affliction warlock and shadow priest.
This argument ist stupid, I just think they hoped some demo locks would change to dh.
yeah but generally you dont really get two specs that have basically the same rotation patterns and the same main cooldown name, unless its on the same class. thats what i meant.
the main idea of having abilities you spam out and then using meta and them abilities changing into other stronger abilities, wouldnt make sense to have 2 specs that ran the same like that.
yeah i have agreed with that idea every time it has been suggested, adding a new spec for the old demo is clearly the best way to do it, i just dont like people saying that current demo is dogsh*t and that it needs to be removed and replaced with old demo, because that is not a solution
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For us it is, because the zoo site from my point of thiew went wrong. There is nothing special and masterful about being a Imp Mother and a dog sitter. I miss the really cool demons from Legion. There is so much potential but blizzard failed twice in the row and its going for the third time.
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demonology looks like it has multiple different builds that can work in ST and AoE for SL, so i dont understand how you can see it as a failure. the spec isnt to your liking anymore so move on,
i played arms for 6 years and when they changed it over 2 expansions to suck and i didnt enjoy it anymore i moved on and found a new class to play.
you shouldnt just try and campaign for a spec that people enjoy playing to be removed from the game, adding the 4th spec is clearly the best option.
I tried to move on, since Legion. I played Death Knight, Pala, warrior, hunter and Monk. Nothing is di fascinating as a Warlock.
For SL i will play Affliction, but my one and only desire is the mop demo warlock. To play it once more on retail will be my ultimate goal.
But the current demo is dogsh*t lmao
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thats a subjective opinion, i really like current demo and i hated the old demo, for me that was dogsh*t
its literally just an opinion
But we suffered from the change, and our demand to blizzard is they should bring it back.
As a lvl 50 talent
Current demonology is good on paper and trash in game.
Game engine/current devs are unable to create a decent and reliable gameplay around hordes of the demons.
Current demo simply lacks of things that makes a puppeteer gameplay viable.
- Control over your demons.
- Varriety of the demons.
- Utility of the demons.
Old demo WotLK, Cata, MoP, WoD played around the idea of additional demons, but this idea was never the main pillar of the core design of the demonology.
Old demo played around these things:
- Your strong main demon - Imp/Fel Imp, Voidwalker/Void lord, Succubus/Shivarra, Felhunter/Observer, Felguard/Wrathguard.
- You as demonology warlock - your damage in your normal form and Metamorphosis.
- Synergy between you and your main demon.
Demons like Infernal/Doomguard(untill WoD), wild imps and demons from Grimoire of service, was additional demons nothing more.
With old demo, you had direct control over 2/5 of your damage, because you dealt most of it with your spells, 2/5 of your damage was in hands of your main demon, whom you could control nonetheless, and 1/5 was in hands of additional demons, whom you coudn’t control.
Right now, we deal only 1/5 of our damage, 1/5 of our damage deals our main demon, and 3/5 of our damage rest in hands of wild imps and Tyrant whom we cannot control. So in current gameplay we are nothing more then a semi active passenger.
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bringing it back as a talent wouldnt work as it would require and entire shift of all of the spell and abilities that the spec has, it would need to be a 4th spec
There will never be a fourth spec, because if warlock gets one every else want one, too.