End of shadowlands - as in shadowlands time moves much much slower - would be the perfect time for a new engine and start of WoW 2 and get rid of all this bad optimisation and better graphics and so much more.
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Let’s all be friends!
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hmm why, if we look back to WC 1, it was the humans,dwarfs,high elfs, againt orcs, ogres and trolls.
in WC 3 there was no real war against the horde and alliance at all.
just some smal different ideas, heck there was a bigger war againt horde and the night elfs even.
also night elfs and tauren where never at war whit eachother, before the tauren joined the horde.
the blood elfs where not at war whit the alliance eighter, they didnt like the humans, but that was pretty much it.
the orcs worked whit Jaina at theramore for a long time, until Garrosh came along and destroyed it.
even the night elfs worked whit the orcs, until again Garrosh came.
now whit theese warmongering idiots out of the way, there realy is no reason to start a 5th war at all, and would be seriousy dumb to do so also.
if horde would again for some reason attack the alliance, I highly doubt the alliance would be so gentle again, it would give the night elfs and worgen a reason to decimate ogrimar, and most likely whit the help of jaina and the kul tirans, horde do not have the numbers to start a war now, though Alliance is kind of in same situation but the alliance is united then, including Tyrande.
Horde is not, Baine would not join a new war, neighter would the blood elfs, what most likely would meen both highmountain and nightborne do not eighter, Fosaken would be split in 2 groups, those following Calia, and the others who just follow some other numpty.
Zandalari would probably join the fight, if talanji has grudge against the alliance, but they are quite decimated now.
Horde would loose half to their allies atleast in a new war, what would be their full down fall
and if Blizzard actualy would do it, the outcry from many players would be huge, becuse not all would aggree whit it at all, becuse it would literaly make no sence what so ever.
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Oh look, another “it’s Warcraft not Peacecraft” thread, which probably means the OP doesn’t know anything about the story or world they even play in.
- Every single expansion has had a War unrelated to the Factions. Big wars.
- The Faction War is never, EVER written well. In fact it’s laughable, forced garbage that only PVPers seem to care about anymore, and we all know that’s not even for story and lore reasons.
- Until faction barriers are removed PVE faction balance is going to be a mess.
Factions are bad, the story around them is cringe, and the barriers need lifting for the health of the game.
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Nobody is Perfect!
Hello, I’m Nobody 
I’ve never read something as apocalyptically incorrect and flat-out false as this in my entire life.
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I personally wouldnt mind if this was the final end of the faction war and that they didnt touch it again, and let pvp be war games or something.
Storywise, the faction war has been played out since TBC/Wotlk and just arbitrary continued by really F-grade writing of misunderstandings & or someone turning evil for arbitrary reasons.
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How you want faction war when Alliance got strognest mage in world, Deathstar, lots of ship after last war. Horde don’t have any chance to win in military conflict right now. So why you even want starting another war? You want make mroe civilians die?
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Just the major villains capable of destroying the entire universe and reducing it to a cold dead husk.
That is what i was talking about for two weeks, a Time Skip for some years after Shadowlands and making WoW version 2.0 but i doubt they will do that 
I’d have to disagree. The faction war is the most interesting part of this game for me. The only cool lore character was Arthas and Kel’thuzad, everything after they deviated from Warcraft 3 has been boring, except the faction war. Battle of Dazar’alor was the most exciting raid I’ve done since I started playing.
Tbh, I think most videogame lore is badly written. If you want to read really good fiction you’ll have to pick up some books, I don’t think most writers for videogames belong to some higher echelon of creativity and innovation.
The only games where I’ve actually been blown away by the story, are to be found in the Elder Scrolls series. Morrowind in particular is an excellent example of a game with sophisticated writing. World of Warcraft? Nah, not so much.
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This is the Logic we have atm in WoW:
Half of playerbase - War between Factions is pointless and Boring
Other half of playerbase - This Friendship between Factions is pointless and Boring
So if the 2 options are pointless and boring i still rather have some War between them like always than seeing Alliance and Horde races together on some Bar drinking some Beer and eating Peanuts 
I think people didn’t understand yet when a game have Peace that means - Game Story is over and Franchise too
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Dont worry, there will be another conflict, its world of WARcraft after all.
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Is it though? We always have the next big bad to fight against, war doesn’t necessarily mean it needs to be between the factions 
Anduin and Thrall are pacifists. It is bad writing if the faction war continues.
There needs to be a POINT to it outside of "muurrrr Human attack me!! and “durrr green skin attack me.” Because if that’s all they have and can’t be bothered to expand on a real Alliance vs Horde war outside of burning a tree which led to criminally overlooked faction leader being told by Anduin to “go stand in the corner Humans are talking” to the other flip side where, once again, Thrall is dragged from somewhere and with another Orc in tow, in this case Saurfang, coming to “save” the Horde from itself and from one of the most woeful faction leaders on both sides, a leader so utterly incompetent she couldn’t even achieve a victory in Lordaeron or Darkshore without it crashing round her ears. And yet again, just as at the end of the Siege of Orgrimmar, good common sense dictates that Anduin and the Alliance completely destroys the Horde in Orgrimmar, leaderless and in shock. That’s what I would have done, I suggest anyone would who truly wanted to “win” this, again, pathetic war. Lorewise the Alliance won. In real terms, they did what Sylvanas did in Lordaeron. Threw it away. You don’t win a war by simply walking away and letting your enemy regroup.
If Blizzard are not going to take Horde vs Alliance seriously outside of instanced bgs and simply allowing people to kill each other in the world, they may as well do away with both sides and have a free for all where anyone can kill everyone.
The other way around with a World of Peace that they never had Before and nothing happens is “Good Writing”??? 
They shouldn’t have gone in the direction they did with the story then. If they don’t want the faction war to end, don’t end it. It literally ended in BFA.
Game should have ended with Wrath of the Lich King if this is their Direction for the WoW’s Future
I’m gonna bite.
Pretty sure Grand Magister Rommath is Horde. I mean Aethas is described as being as powerful as Jaina, and Aethas is a child in Rommath’s eyes (He really doesn’t like him)
Jaina, I presume you mean, our lady of “Get out of Jail free and use magic that makes no sense” is not even the strongest Alliance mage, necessarily, nor even the strongest -human- mage. The term used was “The Strongest Sorceress of her people”
So like, the strongest Female mage either of Kultiras, or the strongest Female mage of Humanity (I think the latter, though I suspect Modera could smack her about a bit)
Either way, only applies to humans. Not the world.
Not really a Death Star, the Vindicaar, is it? I mean the famous thing about the Death Star was that it could destroy planets from Space. All the Vindicaar can do is tickle low level Kobolds or maybe a High Level Trash Mob Pack depending on scaling. Also, surely finding a crew for it would be tricky, given Lightforged tend to explode upon death…
Only time we see it use super duper weapons, it has to come within ground artillery range, and aerial attack. I mean its -not- like the Horde don’t have a race with a track record of hijacking Draenei/Naaru built ships, now is it? Even so, its strengths is in disposition of troops anywhere, anytime, its actually a bit tat otherwise.
Lots -less- ships after last war. Same as everyone, that’s the point. Aszhara wasn’t exactly being picky, and the Alliance lost a lot more ships than the Horde in her attack.
Good job? The Horde has WMD’s and Alliance doesn’t? They know how to use Captured Mana Bombs, Jaina and Vereesa happily do that, but they don’t know how to make them…
Sadly a factor of war, and one that more ruthless commanders have exploited in the past, to make a war so undesirable to the civilian population that they rise up against their rulers and demand they make peace.
I’m not advocating the tactic, for a moment, but it -is- a tactic.
Look at it this way, and this isn’t great, this is by no means, people acting at their moral finest. The Factions are in a Cold War. The Horde Council is pretty much bankrupt, (Lor’themar’s story) the Alliance is bereft of manpower.(Anduin and Genn) Neither side wants to throw the first punch, because both know that whilst that first punch would be a doozy, if the second punch came back at them, they have a -glass jaw- in terms of manpower, or in terms of funds to prosecute a War.
So what do they do?
The Alliance is clinging to a very Benevolent Totalitarian way. Anduin decides what is right.
The Horde is now a Council, the Warchief system has -failed- them at every turn, they now have a politburo, a council making the decisions (You see where I am going with this)
The irony being, that the Horde now has a more enlightened form of government than the Alliance.
But…
It is stony broke.
The Alliance -won- the War, but the War wasn’t -worth- winning, the Horde is still a threat, and they can’t project power the way they used to because, well, new soldiers are only born and trained so fast.
So make it what it was from Vanilla to Wrath. But this time seriously put some heart into it, and make it work as a concept.
The Horde and Alliance are -not- friends. In Silvermoon taverns, tankards are raised shouting “Remember Dalaran!” In Alliance bars, shouting “Remember Brennadam” or “Remember Theramore!”. In the Wyvern’s Tail Orc tankards are raised “Remember when we had twenty five percent less tax on a pint of grog!”
The two great powers are spent, both licking their wounds whilst keeping a beady eye on the other.
So why not make it a proper Cold War. Why Shy away from it and just embrace the last seventy years of history.
Rather than another stupid War, a Race War, make it what the Wars in the latter half of the Twentieth century were…
‘War by Proxy’.
The two Superpowers did not want to go to war, they would -destroy- each other, so they armed different sides, gave them equipment and military ‘advisors’. Foreign Wars became a playground for the two Superpowers to fight wars without having to mobilise the troops, and whilst they certainly did fight (Thus giving a PvP rationale) it was never allowed to blow over into a ‘proper’ war. You just had to make sure you were doing enough to keep -your- side winning, such as strategic attacks on locations, to show your Proxy that your government backed their cause (PvE objectives and resource gathering). Obviously back home you had to make sure this whole thing didn’t blow over into something stupid, So world Quests to ensure everyone was ‘on side’.
The wars weren’t fought by huge armies, because the armies are spent, they are fought by savvy CIA types in the jungles, giving intel to their side, by KGB agents handing over tins of beluga caviare to local warlords smoking big cigars.
Wars fought small, for high stakes.
The Characters isn’t ‘The Champion of Azeroth’ or ‘The Horde’ or ‘Alliance’ They were the trusted people on the ground dealing with local warlords, smugglers, revolutionary movements and counter revolutionary movements. Keeping the War going, whilst balancing it between going too cold, or two hot, whilst both Factions eye each other , like two old Tomcats, who know the measure of each other, and neither wants to strke first.
If they want a -proper- Cold War, then give us a Cold War!
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