Yeah, this is exactly the feeling. There are cliques that are indecipherable unless you spend time digging around all the OOC info about who has a beef with who, who did what to who, etc. Has a chilling effect on spontaneous RP in the world.
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A shame about all the profanities and slurs, though. Really soured the mood, despite how much I enjoy the idea on a conceptual level.
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It’s not much of a secret that PCU has given the rebel RP scene chance and chance again to get away with their ever-incrementing goofy ways of escaping despite being given alternatives which sounded much less daunting. Truth is, both sides gave each other a supposed chance but the rebel one decided to turn into some wish fulfillment about them being the heroes to save the day. You screw up once? Ok. You screw up time and time again?.. Something needs to be done then, chief. 
/e madly Hearthstones right from under your nose as you step on a bowl of rice and slip down the staircase to see all the innocent guard grunt NPCs that you’ve killed in your escape
Oh, I do agree there. I even had some guildies commenting on how, towards the end, it was starting to feel like an expression of OOC feelings.
While I did ultimately find it exciting, for the reasons I mentioned previous, I wasn’t blind to the fact that it was a stage for some people using it as a means to hurl genuine abuse.
E: Which just kind of proves my point, really, that for all the claims to the contrary… the PCU/loyalists are victim of some very unpleasant stuff outside the constraints of IC.
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Was that the Howling Fjord one back in January… I think? I don’t exactly recall. But yeah, I remember that campaign fondly, it was a great campaign, cut low by completely unnecessary drama in the final day. It was the same with a few campaigns after that, they go well, and the final day or two - it turns into a poopstorm. And even when they are over, the drama continues, either behind closed doors or on the forums behind alt characters. It’s sad, unnecessary, and only drives a wedge further between the dwindling RP community.
As for the rest of the post, I pretty much agree, I guess it’s a mix of the lore, BfA being a garbage expansion overall… I mean it’s not like the Alliance RP scene is much better overall. You’ve got the sometimes questionable RP in Stormwind and Duskwood and what have you, and then overall dwindling communities which people have left over the many months. Aside from the two aforementioned hubs, there’s barely any ‘random’ RP. Once in a full moon you may find three people RPing in Ironforge and that is about it… 
Can’t really say much else, I’m not a main Horde RPer but I feel ya.
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Tbh, reading this thread I can see a glimpse of the reasons that divide the Horde in the first place. I like this thread though, it has been mostly civil and polite, and Boush’s post feels genuine. As I’ve been reading through the replies, I found many people trying to send that vibe back, which is really very nice. Why I think the divide is occurring? I think many factors combined are making an impact:
Drama and toxicity. Such attitudes poison the server’s relationship, but they have always existed since Classic. People vented, got harassed, but then kept role-playing again. Why it seems so impactful these days? Other factors must contribute.
Age. Much like Boush already said, age likely makes many players quit. Players being too demanding, witch hunts, toxicity, unwillingness to cooperate… why would a mature, 20+ aged player be willing to go through all of it? It decreases numbers, but also may be correlated to the schism of today. As you age you’re less likely to enjoy role-playing, while also having to meet more demands from the outside world. Why would you want to role-play with toxic people? That’s likely a waste of your time.
Discord has caused a massive transformation in the social dynamics, as it created close groups of players capable of sending memes and trading grudges inside each and every little community. Not only that, but they feel both exclusive and representative of that community, which is why they boost insular forms of RP whose purpose is to attract players to their group - increasing the competition among discord communities and drama.
OOC Approach/RP Mentality. A lot of the approach I witness is not constructive. When there’s conflict, there is always a party that tries to take the other to their opponent to a lower level, often involving a lot of personal attacks. Any attempt to mend the gaps between the Horde community should realize that a lot of the personal attacks, trolling, name-calling and also harassment has to stop for a while. Sometimes both parties should agree to give their hands together at the same time.
The lore hasn’t helped either, as it stressed the divide between players, giving justification and placing under the light the warmongers’ RP, which until now had never been in a position of legitimacy. This new dynamic, over than the mere warmonger vs honorable guys, shouldn’t be underestimated.
Numbers are dropping. Hard. People grow older, stop playing or don’t want to get invested into childish competitions, etc etc.
What could be done?
Such changes would have to come from above (leaders) trying to ignore past mistakes and perhaps start by approaching in semi-large events with a code of conduct that works just for the interaction between said communities in large events. The attitude in general has to change a lot: in this very thread I see a lot of players projecting their personal distaste into an objective insult which actually has little ground to stand upon (“I didn’t like this form of RP, therefore he’s a bad human being, or a bad role-player”). Frankly I don’t see any willingness to mend bridges, mostly because they may break again so easily.
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Sure, as long as you also pull quotes from the people on the other side that presumably you’re pretty fond of
You should also add the context - ie. rebel guilds walking to the Orgimmar Barracks to recruit for the rebel group and then being extremely unhappy OOC at being confronted
I think we would come out smelling like absolute roses from that comparison, so I also think you won’t do that = (
What a mealy-mouthed little line to repeat twice
We were doing concessions from day #1 - as in months before BfA even launched. That was our mistake because whatever group of pasta sauce merchants you’re posting in defense of didn’t deserve even a moment of it
It was a great campaign for Alliance but the Horde was outnumbered to an extreme degree because people didn’t respect the sign-ups
I don’t think the Horde attendence ever crested 60 players and I also remember players on the Alliance complaining a great deal when the Horde was awarded just one out of four wins in a given day (with the Alliance getting three)
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Perroy i advise a cup of yorkshire tea and a good book. There a lot better for you than getting in to a forum he said she said.
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It’s still crazy to me how this rebellion started so early while in the lore it didn’t really shape up until… what, 8.1.5? 8.2? Whack.
trust me he rather enjoys them.
I know, been watching to much spiffing brit. Needed to make the yorkshire tea joke. 
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I don’t see it change tbh. It has been like that for… well… since the game went online for the first time.
You are coming off as wicked paranoid. I have no idea who I’m supposed to be “presumably pretty fond of” here. Is it some guild you have beef with? Is the pasta sauce thing some kind of Discord in-joke about the guild you have beef with?
This is just what I saw happening, as an unguilded player coming back to the server after a long hiatus, in 8.0. Tonnes of drama, tonnes of people grumpy on both sides about the other side allegedly powergaming. Also a lot of paranoia about secret alts and off-site receipts blogs and etc.
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Didn’t ask
When’re you linking these
You seem to be posting from a position where you don’t actually know very much about what had happened but seem very defensive when confronted about that - instantly with some tired “w-want me to link logs” thing but weirdly you’re not doing that. Maybe because you realise that people complaining after someone does yet another Orgrimmar invasion / instant teleport routine won’t spin well against - for example - planned OOC guild infiltrations
We can do a small exchange and I think by the end of it unless you’re some extreme partisan, you will write “PCU” on your forehead
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A member of a guild that’s firmly aligned with the rebel-oriented side of RP had a discussion in /s about a partner who had intimate relationships with a jar of pasta sauce.
Can’t really do much else than point out the obvious that Horde RP has schismed on a fairly obvious loyalist/rebel line since BFA (and really the prepatch, and arguably during Legion itself) that resulted in a constant state of prolonged conflict between guilds (which I imagine few people on either side actually wanted, even certain rebel RPers did nothing to avoid it or actively seemed to seek it out) and bad-faith RP encounters that’s left a great deal of BFA RP as a thoroughly poisoned well.
It’s fine for people to RP stuff that’s not part of the canon story like starting their own little resistance/rebellion early. Just wish they would have approached it with the care needed instead of just going with the lazy route.
I mean yeah hitting it off early in this case it’s fine but it’s been so OPEN so early and that just kinda wows me
Yeah it was extremely funny to see people who had been openly chatting with the Alliance + killing Horde grunts during the battle for Lordaeron recruiting in Orgrimmar a couple of days afterwards (and being extremely unhappy OOC about any IC response)
a sigh can be heard
It’s just annoying to see someone vehemently defend their radical centrist / both sides are to blame false equivalency stance while also very clearly not being up to date on what really happened.
Oh. That’s pretty disgusting! Thanks for letting me know, though.
Yeah, that’s totally in line with my experience of Horde during BfA. Just so much weird meta-drama about every little thing.
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