Hi guys,
What if one covenant is best for dungeons/raid and another for PVP? Can I swap between them or much I pick one? It seems like a very bad solution if I have to stick to one covenant that migh be garbage in the other type of content I want to do.
You can swap but the system is purposely designed to punish you for doing so.
They donât want you swapping Covenants frequently to have the most fun in a video game.
Yes it is bad. People defend it. We can only pray it is fixed by 9.1 not 9.3.5
Ion stated on his interview with Preach that the team didnât want players to be optimal for every single encounter. 
Cheers.
They donât want you swapping Covenants frequently and be all obsessive.
Fixed that for you.
Like I said, people still defend this system.
Ion ? Is this the same guy that thinks in order to play WoW properly we need to take part in all aspects of the game ? IE PvE, PvP, Raiding, Mythics, etc, atc,
If so then he should step down as lead dev and go on a course that improves his memory and gives guidance on being consistent.
they want choices to matter.
like when i classic you chose a talent. it cost more and more to change that choice, everytime you wanted to change it.
it might have been optimal to do so but it was never needed.
the problem comes now with different specs. a certain covenant is not just better at one thing (pvp/Raid/M+/World Quests) but what one covenant excels at might change when choosing a different spec.
therin lies the problem. the need to be the best at everything and being not able to achieve that.
in my personal opinion. i dont believe for 1 second that the wrong covenant will stop you from being the best at one thing. But everyone for their own i guess.
Unless youâre mythic raiding, pick the pvp one. Outside of pre-nerf mythic raids, the difference in performance wonât really matter if you ask me. Just pick things that make sense.
But keep this in mind - for the first 2-3 months of the game, we probably wonât exactly know which covenants are best. Look at corruptions - in the beginning everyone ran infinite stars, td, etc. but as we progressed we found out that the 12% stat ones are kinda better at higher gear levels.
Myself and others wonât even bother looking at which covenant is best. My intention is to make this choice like I make all my choices in the game - completely blind, but not stupid. When I made my warrior I didnât know if it was going to be best in x,y,z content. It was just a warrior, so I picked it. Same thing here. And this is why I think people are defending this system - because itâs bringing back an aspect of the game which was lost - making blind choices without knowing if these choices are exactly good. You canât get this feeling in WoW anymore, you have to play a new game if you want excitement. But covenants are bringing that exact feeling back. And to be fair, thatâs all I really care about.
You can freely jump from one other three no problems whatsoever.
But you also have situations like rogue where thereâs only one good covenant ability for every piece of content you choose to do, and if you donât like necrolord from a lore and aesthetic standpoint then you are gimping yourself.
People are also forgetting about soulbinds, which will play a relevant part in your characterâs power. Especially for high end raiding.
Personally I like having a variety of different options and optimizing my character to the current situation. In arenas for example I often change talents and/or gear beforehand depending on enemy composition. While raiding and M+ it tends to be a little bit more static there are a few decisions I make and adapt to the situation needed.
Because itâs a good system.
And yet people still change their talent set up because it was fun and rewarding to be the best you could be.
To throw out the phrase âchoices matterâ is such a shallow opinion on the topic. Yes choices should matter but that is not a blanket statement that means all choices being locked in is a good thing.
Imagine the same classic scenario but instead of gold to respec it is now free but has a weekly lock.
Do you think that would be an improvement?
A more recent example of where âchoice mattersâ was badly done is Azerite gear. Blizzard doubled down on the whole âchoice mattersâ stance by wanting to increase the respec cost of Azerite essences, only to cave and reduce those costs due to player backlash.
Thank God they listened to the players there.
Oh it will absolutely stop you from being the best, I think to say that while the Alliance competitive scene is dead due to something as small as racial traits is crazy.
WoWâs history has proven time and time again that small performance games matter and dictate peoples decisions.
I 100% think that you truly believe that, I am not going to argue with you over your general opinion.
We will just have to wait for it to come out and then people will start to realize it is not as fun as they expected.
âSomeâ people sure. Thereâs always people, with ANY content in WoW, who will be unhappy. Always.
Iâm not going to worry one bit about whether a skill I received, as a bonus, is going to be good, period. Let alone be good in X or Y content. Itâs an extra skill. I donât âneedâ it for my class to be complete or fun.
so right now in BFA. where you the best of the best of the best? what stopped you if you are not?
i didnt say the covenant will be pointless when you become the best. but there are so many more factors that come into play when you want to be the best. that covenant are neither the first nor the last thing you should pay attention to
if you swap your covenant to another one in order to PvP you will have to wait 2 weekly resets in order to swap back to the first one for PvE again, so you should just pick 1 and stick with it
It just so happens that back in Legions beta people playing the game complained about the AP grind and Legendary acquisition. People not playing the game defended it.
People playing beta were right.
In BFA people playing beta complained about the necklace and Azerite gear.
People not playing beta defended Azerite gear.
People player the beta were right.
All of a sudden youâre keen to disregard the same scenario as âelitistsâ.
The skill is not a bonus, your class is designed around Covenants. That is your first mistake.
Wrong again.
I guarantee you the best players min-max their characters.
To think the best players wont choose the best simming Covenant is absurd.
Everybody playing the beta is saying the active skills donât matter all that much and in fact, the way Blizz presents covenants in the leveling isnât good, because soulbinds are what really matters, but youâll be making your choice based on the abilities. (Although, I think everyone will pick whatever they enjoyed the most, just like every other choice they make in the game)
Iâm not a fan of that. In fact, I wish Blizz would bring back class trainers and make changing talents cost gold. And remove tome.
of course they will. and i will let them do that. but i dont care what those few people do. for someone who wants to PLAY the game and not exceed in it and be part of the 0.1% there is no real difference weather you can or cannot change your covenant on the fly.
stick with the ability that you like the most during your lvl up phase and be happy with it. and if you are not happy with it, go change it.
but dont come crying when you want to change it between Arena and BG. cause you dont really need to.
it would maybe give you a tiny advantage. but you wont get the Arena win or Mythic Raid kill or +20 intime Dungeon key if you wouldnt have done it with any other covenant