Can’t say I agree, or disagree. Could’ve gone either way.
Blizzard made the decision to allow addons. By doing so they made the decision to coproduce the game.
If that was a good decision or not, I can’t say. Perhaps. But today it’s not working, I think.
And, for me, it was never a good thing. I always wanted the game to be without addons.
We’ll see then.
I hope it is still hard. Why would anyone play an easy game.
That’s because I want horizons. Without that it’s pointless, isn’t it.
I think it’s good if coordination goes back to voice. I figure that’s the human approach.
Might be that some never get to certain stages, and that must be made okay so that people don’t feel stuck but can develop even though they can’t do m+20.
Having a robot tell us what to do gets old. It was already old back in the day. So prepare for it to get super old as we get into the new era of full and real ai. Human’s where it’s at, I think.
You gotta be able to see what is going on and understand. It can’t be told.
I always want to keep my eyes on the gamefield, having the keys memorized for that purpose.
If they are instead fixed on warnings and noise, then it’s no longer the game I am looking at.
I am then looking at the meta of the game, the game about the game.
That’s fundamentally wrong to me. It always were.
then the game should be either simple enough to a point where you dont need them or the game should have those tools built in , currently none of those are the case
this part is debatable , i agree to some extent .
terrible idea … ppl already hate going to discords and voice chats , coordinating kicks and stops are already annoying enough since it swipes away the players performance ( the person whos doing it ) we dont need more of that BS
yeah with this comment you lost me completely , you seem to have ground zero level of understanding how 2025 works , ppl are not interested in human interactions , the main reason they play video games if anything is to avoid those human interactions … and this game has been terrible at delivering automated systems that reduce that forced human interaction problem which is why its doing significantly worse than the games that do have that in place ! just a few examples could be BR games , multiplayergames that have matchmaking , hearthstone , pretty much any game that has an automated matchmaking system that reduces human interactions …
yeah he just dosnt get it , honestly i would not be surprised if hes next comment is some none sense about how its better to have human interactions and how this game was built on that stuff etc , this guy is probably a boomer has no idea how the new world runs . wouldnt waste time replying to him
The first couple of hours should be enough to understand the basics for an average new player
Delves, dungeons, raids, PvP, races, classes, specs, all of it
Then you dive in
Easy to play, but hard to master
You adapt to what is given if you want to, of course
This game should never be easy
It should be simplified, yes, but simplified does not mean easy
And seriously, why is there such a fuss about addons and WeakAuras
You will just have to adapt to something new
After a few months, we will see it again, groups of outstanding players who perform perfectly, the mid-range ones, and the casuals
And that is it
well thats because these things have significantly improved the quality of life for players over time , i personally love them they are amazing i can craft my own type of buff tracking my own reminders etc … everything they make the game so much more comfy to play i dont have to look far right across 20 differnt buffs in a bar thats jumping left and right to figure out what stack of which buff i have and so on …
im not onboard with them simplifying raid and dungeon mechanics i think those are a little to much but they should have left the ui stuff untouched
and yeah we might get use to it … 6 months in or so but it still feels bad like there is nothing good about losing them .
Yea, I’m not either but… Having a thing tell you is the wrong way.
I would never play that.
Play with bots I can do though. Rather that than players.
Not for the upper echelon. Those guys should be forced to cooperate if they want to get anywhere. Others, the rabble, shouldn’t have to.
I’m happy we agree to some extent.
The tools need to be built in. They should’ve always been.
Every thing you need to do in the game to play it has to be available within it.
Those top should have to. Shouldn’t be possible without. Why? Cause that’s the game.
Why you figure you should get to top without coordination as a team?
Why you figure that coordination should be handled by a bot?
Bullsht.
You got no idea how the world runs, dude.
you think u should be top by the bot, and i think u should only get there through team, real team.
but top… that’s far off. not everyone play top. few do. i bet you don’t, for example.
none of you are top, and you will never be that either. me neither.
that’s how voice should be required, that’s what i think.
damn, how come you gotta be rude to say u disagree. and then u tell me how i don’t get it. thought we had some kind of understanding but i was wrong, and i always am. no point going at it with people.
yea like ima go ahead and tell THE WORLD through EU FORUM how it gonna be or is dead on arrival ffs
man, no ima no bloated bighead for sure, i know how this in goin’ down MY MAN
I completely understand and agree that addons, especially WeakAuras, have made the game much easier and more enjoyable to play. The problem is that the game was never intended to rely so heavily on addons, but over time it was forced to evolve around them, which I think was a mistake.
Instead of pushing Blizzard to improve the default UI and fix those issues, we all just leaned into addons, and that created a loop where players got used to comfort, and Blizzard stopped addressing the core design problems.
Now they have decided to reset things and bring the game back to its intended form. I fully support that decision, though I am not sure they have the manpower or capacity to execute it properly. It will take time, maybe even most of an expansion, before things feel right again.
But once addons are stripped back, player feedback will actually matter again. Personally, I use ElvUI, WA, nameplates, all of it, and honestly, I am tired of needing all that just to play effectively. I can barely see the game itself under all those layers.
i have played in HOF guilds , i have pushed world top 50 keys , even during this season i was top 40 world of my class for like 2 weeks or so before i got exhausted and stopped
i have been top 500 in other games aswell Marvel rivals / overwatch / dota / apex …
and i did it all without any voice coms … would i climb even higher if i had a built it premade team ? YEAH i would but i dont want to communicate with anyone while im playing … thats the point
and thats what most ppl want , they just wanna simply play the game without needing additional unnecessary human interactions … thats what they want !
i hate human interactions i hate them so much , they always lead to some kind of drama or conflict thats how it all ends always , you might find 1 group of good friends that have always been kicking it out and had fun but thats like a 1 in billion type of thing enlightented by the good old Surivorship bias .
human interactions are terrible … the less the better , i would kill for a matchmaker system in this game for all the contents all 3 raid/m+/arena regardles of difficulty nm hc mythic high keys etc … the less communication required the better , hell i even use to mute my entire team when i played marvel rivals or overwatch all the time and just listen to music and vibe while playing
you should never get in a situation where you are forced to communicate with others regardless of your level dosnt matter if you are doing lfr 40 man or top 20 mythic dimensius , same goes for every other content and high keys
The end game.
Not the beginning of the end, but the end of the end.
I disagree. I think you should have to for coordination on the highest level.
Nice head.
I gotta tell it true to you:
You should get out more.
And you got no fing idea what is going on with this. Just standard dense guy who don’t want to recognize the coming future. Think you’re ahead and on top, knows enough to give advice. It’s called complacency.
I’m sorry to say it, but this game was always meant to be played with voice communication. I’ve been around long enough to know that. Every serious guild has a Discord channel, every mythic progression is done through voice, and raid leading has always relied on it. Even high keystone groups use voice, it’s simply how WoW has been played for years.
You can’t expect to perform properly without teamwork, and real coordination always works better over voice. Saying that modern games in 2025 don’t use voice chat just isn’t true.
I understand that some players have personal issues with it, and that’s completely fine. Back when I played at a hardcore level, we also had great players who didn’t like talking. We just asked them politely to join the voice channel and listen to the raid leader’s calls without needing to speak. It worked perfectly well that way.
So I got my vision and idea on what should be or not, and what would be preferable, but I know for sure that what I think is not the coming future. It’s never what I expect, I’ve learnt that well. But I still have my ideas, of course, but I understand well that it won’t be what I expect or how I believe it to be today.
You though, you think you got it; you think you see. That’s complacent and delusional. That’s when you tell a multi-billion dollar company what’s up with their product and how to deal. That’s when you’re feeling yourself out of bounds without having any base to stand on. You’re flying, but actually falling.
im a proof that it is true … i never use voice on marvel rivals overwatch apex hearthstone ( that ones a solo game player i know but still ) pubg ir any other damn game i touch …
and most ppl i know friends and whatnot also dont use voice … even when we are in party we dont really use voice , unless we are going for a 6v6 high rank game , but even those are sometimes without comms
i dont think you understand how annoying voice coms can get , i would assume you havent been in them to much , or maybe you are just a person whos above 30years old and in that case i understand your philosophy no disrespect intended
yeah and i despise it … currently one of the things that is keeping me on the edge of leaving this game for good is having to go to discord and communicate with a bunch of apes to kill some mythic bosses … it aint that fun not for me anyway , and it never has been theres always some BS that pops up and you have to face it … you cant even mute your sound and play !
and yeah you could say well maybe you should go somewhere else , and yeah i have done that before its all the same … im gonna be interacting with humans and humans suck … i rather raid with Chatgpt ( if that was even possible ) then humans cause you can reason with chatgpt it operates on the basis of logic not emotions
The thing is that we have been able to make it work by customizing our games.
Im not looking to be in rwf. I just wanna have fun, do some relatively high keys and get my CE. I dont think thats too much to ask.
We are losing accessibility and complexity. For what exactly?
Buddy, just because you feel that way about it, it doesn’t mean the majority feels the same. Saying that games no longer build around voice and that players don’t use it simply because you don’t like it is not true.
Players all over the world use voice chat heavily, across all kinds of games.
You’re making general statements based purely on personal feelings, and the world doesn’t work like that. I’m sorry, but that’s the truth.
And yes, maybe that sucks for you, but that’s your problem, not mine. My problems are mine too, and I don’t expect anyone else to carry them.
I used to lead a mythic progress guild, so I know very well how much drama can happen on Discord. I’m 32, I’ve been through enough, maybe even worse things than you, but that still doesn’t give me the right to generalize based on how I personally feel.
So with that said, I hear you and I see you. But the solution isn’t here. The solution is within you, and only you.
As I said, the problem comes from the vicious circle between developers and addons. The game hasn’t even officially released yet, and the beta/ptr isn’t active. So any talk of losing anything is premature. Right now, our feelings are based purely on fear, Blizzard is taking us out of our comfort zone without asking.
Well, it’s not our game anyway, so they will do what they want. We can accept it or not. The gaming industry is over two decades old, and developers have the right to shift their games in any direction they see fit.
I’ve been playing since the end of TBC. Can you even imagine how many systems, interfaces, and addons I’ve had to adapt to over the years? Countless changes, and honestly, I’m glad that chapter is finally over.
I still use a lot of addons, and I hate it. The best days were when you actually watched what was happening in front of you and executed your rotation by feel. For real, I had an inner sense of when to cast what and when something would proc.
But maybe that’s just me. It’s a personal feeling.
Ive played since vanilla, i know exactly how we have had to adapt. I also know how bad blizzards replacements have been when they have decided to brick addons. We have been able to fill in the voids left by the game devs but we wont be able to anymore. If you want a more bare-bones experience, classic servers ars still up.
I realize that none of us will change each others opinion. And i hope i get proven wrong, time will tell.
