Man I could write an essay about this but I’m at work so I’ll keep it short.
Wow needs changes otherwise it becomes this clown end game fiesta it’s been for the past few expansions. Even mid CE guilds now run splits, often times you don’t even pick any item from your weekly vault cos you have to let your officers know what you got and then they’ll decide what’s the best for the entire roster. No guild can realistically enter RWF because you need to have 30 people working on weakauras, mathing encounters etc. Encounters are so solved that weakauras literally yell at you to pop your immunity NOW and imagine being a new player and you watch someone elses UI on twitch and they’re using class weakauras, bigwigs, dungeon pack, plater AND OMNICD which fills your screen with tens of icons
I am so glad they’re trying to do something about it and yeah it sucks for a very small portion of the playerbase but I can’t say I care
Let’s see. ElvUI will definitely work for design and non-combat related customizations. If combat-related elements are limited in customization and visibility, we should push Blizzard to improve that. I think that would be the right approach.
Okay, no addons? Then fix this and make it customizable to a reasonable extent.
Then you should agree that voice is almost a must in any serious guild.
People have been relying on voice communication for a long time anyway, with or without addons. I’m not looking for classic servers, I want the current content as intended. Honestly, almost every other game in the world is played as intended.
I don’t want to have to explain all the addons before I can explain the actual game.
We don’t need to agree, but from what I’ve seen and read, the majority welcome this change.
For top high-end players, it doesn’t matter. They are pros, real pros. They will adapt to any situation and pull the maximum from it. They might even find it more challenging and enjoyable.
Can you clarify? Are you against voice/sound alerts in general or are you against them telling you how to solve the mechanic specifically? Because I fully believe that sound alerts for mechanics should be in the game.
ye this is actually beyond retarrded… its true what he wrote here as crazy as it sounds like , the RWF boys have created some next level agenda that everyone is trying to copy and i think the removal of addons can potentially diminish this stuff to a great extent , although i never truely understand why they got rid of personal loot and soulbound item ! that was fine like we didnt need that to go away
but any way addon removal will have colateral dmg regardless
So it seems like you think you know what you talking about, while you do not, you rely on addons, because you use addons. And therefore - you cannot yourself understand the mechanics of encounters. Because you rely on the addon to do it for you and this is where you are wrong.
Relying on addons doesn’t mean you don’t understand mechanics, it means you value tools that surface important information so you can focus on playing well, not sit buried in UI polish. Addons are quality of life and accessibility tools. They display timers, consolidate buffs, declutter the screen, and make complex rotations readable. That doesn’t make someone lazy or incapable; it makes them efficient.
If blizzard’s goal is genuinely to simplify gameplay, great… but they have to do the simplification themselves. Stop blaming players for using third-party tools to cope with an interface or design choice the developers made. If you remove the addons without also removing or redesigning the underlying complexity (or giving players official, flexible tools to configure what they see), you’re not “teaching players the mechanics” you are just making the game worse for a huge chunk of the playerbase, including people who need accessibility options.
For instance, they are removing WA, okay - I usually play with no visible action bars and use weak auras to display cd’s just below my character. There is of course now an alternative to this which blizzard have created (cd manager or whatever) - but it is just lazy code. While the WA plugin makes it so that I can see my cooldowns, resources and defensives while having a clean user interface.
Just give people bonus rolls again. It’s that simple. Also guilds are doing this to not fall behind (although it does sound hilarious if you’re not in top100 imo) but if blizzurd simplifies end game to the point the difficulty lies mostly in players reacting to incoming mechanics whilst doing decent damage instead of looking at 40 different timers, I think end game will become better over time.
yea idk why they have this amazing tendancy to get rid of Working systems ! systems that actuually work and yield great results in terms of player engagement and add stupid systems that we dont like …
i think the removal of coins and personal loot is a perfect example of this situation , both of those systems were vastly welcomed and loved by most players ( apart from RWF degens ) and they got rid of them ! for what ? to slow down ppls character progression ? BS
and covenants are a perfect example of a system that players never liked from the very begininng all the way to the end and they never backed of … i think this whole addon situation is gonna lead the same way
Did you defeat Zekvir on (??) ?.. no u didnt. Maybe you should consider learning how to play instead before you come with achievements that are more than 10 years old.
Idk Blizzard’s formula of every expansion since legion was to implement something in the worst possible state and then by the end of expansion all the systems were fine This looks more like a soft reset of the end game. I’m looking forward to it
That’ s the entire problem. For too long the devs have sat on their hands and done nothing about add-ons, in fact they’ve designed end content with add-ons in mind.
Now all of a sudden some manager in development has decided that add-ons are now to blame for everything and they need to go.
Only problem is. Blizzard’s attempts at making their own ui and combat controls run as smoothly as add-ons have done have turned out to be… Lacking.
I remember the big song and dance when they were loudly telling us how awesome their new UI customisation was.
When it finally arrived, it was absolutely woeful.
I said the exact same thing the day it was brought out as I still say today.
Whoever designed the UI customization very clearly spent 5 minutes on ElvUI playing with basic customization, saw the grid where you could fine tune the bars and “OK that’ll do… That’ll stop players downloading ui add-ons”. They didn’t add any ability to change size of bars, didn’t add any ability adjust the positioning of bars, didn’t add the ability to fully customize the ui, it was a very basic ui modifier that if truth be told they should never have bothered with.
There’s a reason I still use Bartender and ZPerl, because Blizzard’s default UI is absolutely atrocious.
And people really ought to stop believing this crap that add-ons let players sit back and the add-on does everything for them.
It doesn’t. The player still has to physically react to whatever the game is doing, add-on or no add-on.
