Do you have to RP on Argent Dawn?

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I’ve seen that happen about twice, and it was instances of the raid guild either being infamous for disrupting rp events and trolling, or a guild that had a really disruptive name for the server.

Again, this only happens when it’s people who have fully expressed that they dislike or outright despises roleplay, yet choose this server anyway. Usually also after a bunch of trashtalk from them.

This is Highly disruptive, especially when it is in areas where roleplay is happening. If you had even the minuscule of interest on roleplay, you’d also know this. Use other channels to communicate OOC.

Or you could avoid using cheap strawman logic to try and raise…whatever point you try to make?

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Also unfun sidenote. I’ve had more pure OOCers/OOC posters straight up telling me to not go outside because they claimed they were going to track my address and assault me, than I have seen some pure PvE player being unfairly called out.

Infact, most of the time it’s been civil if the player hasnt been a colossal :toolbox: themselves.

Been several threads where someone has said they are curious about AD but don’t like roleplaying at all, people have calmly suggested other servers & explained why and the person has thanked for the advice and looked for someplace else.

It’s only when their immediate response to being asked why is to throw around insults, threats and slurs, that people get more defensive and start to lash back.

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I’m sorry to hear that happened to you, unfortunately threats like this and stalking are not uncommon among RPers too. So this is more of a wow/general gamer/internet psycho problem.

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Oh yeah, I know & thank you. It sucks but it exists overall in WoW. have had it happen in the RP circles too & I know many people have had similliar experiences sadly.

WoW overall at its core does have a big issue with toxicity as do many gaming communities.

In WoW I’ve had several threats of various nature, ranging from physical pretty directly, to sexual & lawsuits funnily enough. As well as threats of doxxing, targeting my family and other things. Some have been with the RP community too.

As I’ve mentioned before, one of the more upsetting ones(not so much what happened because it was pretty mild compared to most other stuff I’ve experienced, but due to the circumstances at the time) came from a rper who I know is, or at least was, pretty well-liked in their community which is a pretty big and well known rp guild. It made me quit a character completely and I’ve tried to keep minimal contact with the guild since and straight up avoid events if I think the person is present.

Perhaps a bit silly, especially when it was as I said, milder than most, but it stung and came at one of the worst periods of my life so it sticks with me.

But to get back on track, the more direct straight up threats of violence and abuse has mostly been a direct response from a couple of posters when I asked nicely why they were interested in AD in the first place since they didn’t like roleplay.

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I get the dislike for OOC’ers tbh, they come in 2 types from what Ive seen, those who keep to themselves n do their own thing and dont disrupt rp and the other type, who literally make turning some places into respectable rp hubs entirely impossible, people going in on the anti OOC’er thing should take into account this being a RP server should mean that no, if you arent a RP’er you shouldnt have your gaming needs/desires be equal to those who actually wish to use this server for its intended purpose, the server has a huge lack of rp hubs because of the amount of OOC’ers who will just make rping there impossible and thats annoying af tbh, we shouldnt have such a hugely populated RP realm with only about…2-3 hubs tops give or take, every town/city and every part of each city should be able to be rp’d in and the huge presence of OOC’ers has made that impossible, that being said it isnt always OOC’ers either you get alot of “rp’ers” griefing/trolling aswell and thats worse, but yeah if your not a rp’er then shouldnt be on rp forum posts demanding your needs be met as much as rp’ers on a rp realm go elsewhere if your not into rp, theres not really much point being on a rp realm if you never intend on rping, and you’ll just add to the already huge number of OOC characters whose presence make rping in certain places impossible, and I mean that nicely.

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Which cities are you referring to? Goldshire and the Trade district (both not cities, but areas where i’d say it’s impossible to RP) are the only ones I can really think of…and Oribos, but I don’t think anybody is RPing there.

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Orgrimmar I’d say as well given how the Valley of strength, that bleeds to other areas, in size dominates the Orgrimmar sphere while the only commonly rp’ed area (Valley of Honor) feels slightly minuscule in comparison.

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With the charactertransfer bundle now a thing RP’ers can start a crowdfunding to offer OOC people a way out to gatekeep their realm.

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Are classic posters the wow equivalent of anime girl profile pictures?

I think so.

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Draenei posters cry out in relief knowing that they’re no longer the most reviled.

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Don’t forget Nelf posters.

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gn*me posters

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I’m flattered you wish a poster of me above your bed.

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I know plenty of other people have already told you what is a very obvious answer to this question but have you ever stopped to consider why? Take a good look at the other server forums you’ll find that they basically have no community, consistent activity and they are essentially dead whether as the RP realms are not. That’s because of the RP community NOT in spite of it, this isn’t some kind of freak occurance.

Ultimately what you’re saying is you want to join a community but you don’t want to contribute to it’s survival or health in any real way. I think that sums the issue up, if you don’t want to RP then you’re only here to take from it rather than contribute to it’s survival. Years ago people were more open minded but time has proven that too many people taking with out wanting to give back is a net negative because they do not CONTRIBUTE. It’s not beneficial for anyone for new players to permanently treat the server like a glorified zoo.

If you’re not going to take part in the community, try to help out and ensure it’s survival you’re just being a parasite. That doesn’t mean you have to RP 24/7 like some of the strawman arguments here suggest it just means you have to actively engage with the actual community you want to be apart of because when enough people decide to act like you do there is no COMMUNITY just like the other servers you have tried.

I might be late to this thread but what I’m trying to say is join the community you want to be apart of!

You both play Blood Elves.

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I’ll share this gem of a moment with you.

Curious enough, last night I came to over hear my PvE guild speake of Argent Dawn.
The main context; how it is not all that competitive in terms of raiding, and one mentioned the Roleplay community.

Brining up the hostile thread’s in the forum, regarding ‘‘OOC’s get out’’
in my understanding, they did so a bit mockingly…

Fair enough I thought… as I myself are not fond of them either.
However, in my quiet mind I refused to let them belive, that at any point in time this is representative for the community as a whole.

Then, I did tell them what I said in this thread, a few pages ago, how AD is for everyone.
Where some of this hostility origin from.
That things have changed over the years.

And what did end up happening, was a change of mood.
A ‘‘Ah, we understand. That is no fun’’

So, further people started to talk how, if any member in the guild grief role-player’s it’s not tolerated. How that is simply not acceptable behaviour.

TRP was mentioned, and a lot of them had it, despite not partaking in roleplay activities.
At least they knew of it.

One was quite curious about it and ended up getting it just to read others TRP.

We briefly chatted how nice it was that, people could be so creative.
How fun it is to hang out in Ogrimmar and read TRP’s and so on.

They had fun with it.

A most productive and constructive conversation, would you not agree?

I find myself quite proud to know that my guild cares about AD, even if they are not apart of this community

they still respect it.

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Hai! as one of those people that doens’t RP actively, and even worse, run a guild to provide a safe haven for those that don’t (In other words, I run a PvE guild ) I find alot of this to be hostile towards people that do nothing to disturb your fun. Why am I here? I am here because I used to RP, but I found guild leading to be a time consuming and fun activity, so my focus went to that.

I, within my ‘power’, make sure that my members respect roleplayers, and respect roleplay. I just wanted to put that up front because as a former active roleplayer I found it annoying to be herassed just as well.
all the people who make examples like going to the gym, or going to a chess club without participating in those activities. What ever makes people enjoy their time a little more, is no one’s business.
Non-roleplayers on AD, who respect roleplayers, equally so have a part to play in this realm, on a diffrent level. For the people who want to part time do PvE content, having places and guilds to join. I am sure there will be a hundred better options in an ideal world, but it works out. I actively work to teach the new people to the realm, when they have interest, about roleplay, where they can go. When I recruit, and run into new roleplayers, I send them to potential good roleplaying guilds/spots.
Treating people like OP as some one who shouldn’t join AD and it’s community, is ignorant in my opinion. You’re missing out on a potential good RPer if he ever finds it interesting, and you’re losing out on a person who wishes you no harm, and thus is good for the OOC community that this realm also has.
Like, be nice, and hope nice people (roleplayers or not) want to join us.

PS. Sorry about all the speelung arrowrs.

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Yeah lets just leave everyone to do whatever they please. Let everyone act how they want to. Let’s forget every rule and standard and just go crazy.
The quality of the server will absolutely not decline. That goes for RPers and none RPers.
Let’s exist in anarchy.

Honestly, as a former RPer you should know that the mood is completely ruined when someone Tmog-yaks up infront of everyone or speaks OOC in /s. You say you tell people to be respectful and thats nice but you’re likely a minority.

I may be ignorant, but at least I’m not wrong.

I wish we didn’t have an OOC community. What does an OOC community actually contribute that RPers do not already? I’ve given examples prior that my guild has PvP heads and other guilds do regular raids and content. The only difference is that OOC “communities” aren’t partaking in Argent Dawn’s intended purpose - which would make the gym or chess club examples absolutely accurate.

I’m asking this genuinely. What benefit does an OOCer give that a RPer cannot?

We are being nice. :slight_smile:

And I politely affirm:
If you wish to come to Argent Dawn with NO interest or intention to at least TRY roleplay - You are not welcome.

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Aaaand you basically just answered the counter-arguements to your point in your arguement.

Noble intentions sure, but you’re very much a minority of a purely OOC guild leader that preaches and enforces members to respect RP’ers. Most pure OOC GMs couldn’t care less if their members disturb RP or not.

And to add something to all the people saying that talking people with zero interest in RP out of rolling AD is gatekeeping because they might observe and gain interest in it is a silly arguement too. How do you really think the balance of RP’ers to OOC’ers would be if every OOC’er was invited, zero mention of respecting RP and zero interest to initially learn or experience it?

Yeah, I’d imagine it wouldn’t take long for the OOC’ers to flock an imbalance on the RP’ers and rather than go out of comfort zones with the diminishing RP crowd, would just keep to their own comfort zones of non-RP tbh. And I’d sooner ‘gatekeep’ against that and preserve the community AD has left than gamble on that.

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Exceptions to the rule aside, but most OOC’ers don’t give a toss about roleplay, and do nothing to not be a nuisance to roleplayers, accidental or not.

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This is not at all what she is saying. If she do what she says, she is most productive stop this griefing of role-players, that so many of us despise.
It’s been a good while since I witnessed it.

In stead of walking on her, should you not, as a fellow role-player apricate her effort?
She after all, works to ensure that roleplay are left in peace.
I frankly find it appalling the way you choose to go about it.

She works towards the same goal as a lot of us, despite our methods differing.

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