If I don’t understand your point, very well.
I shall get back to you on that, when I have better time on my hands.
As I desire to give you a proper response as you deserve.
Thank you
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I am sorry that I wasn’t specific enough, leaving this open to be iinterpreted as such. let me clarify, I do believe in people’s freedom to do as they please, as long as it does not negatively impact others.
So when I say people can come here, and enjoy their time on ARgent Dawn, with or without RPing (leaving aside if you or I believe that is their best option, because that is our opinion), they shouldn’t come here with the intention to disrupt others. But that’s not something i find exlusively to AD. No one should do anything with the intention to harm, or disrupt another person. The fact that this happens, is something that neither you, me or this forum can really do anything about. Bad people, with bad intentions, arn’t going around on forums asking if it’s cool to be bad.
These bad things happen because there is no moderation being done.
Thus it is up to us, the AD community to regulate socially.
Believe it or not, we’re not ignorant, bigots or tyrants - we’re largely people who want to enjoy and preserve our hobby and maintain our good quality standards.
What do OOCers offer that RPers cannot fulfill?
Why does utility matter? What does a non-rper do to be unwelcome?
also i want to seperate the term OOCer and Non-RPer. when I speak of the OOC community, it contains -alot- of RPers, who simply RP part-time, and enjoy doing other game related stuff.
I suppose i can somewhat state that the OOC community, and the non-rpers that operate with in it provide that, a stable/more stable basis for game related stuff. Tho I am sure that alot of rpers can provide that too, I am not sure if they could to the level that is currently being provided (low as it is in comparison, as mentioned previously in this thread)
As I did promise, I’m now coming back to you.
Thank you for your patience.
A most pleasing sight to behold; to see the two of you chat in the meanwhile, I must say.
Now, after reading how the two of you are going back and forth, which are on both ends - fair enough!
Good points and opinions, indeed.
My curiosity gets the better of me now.
Perhaps a challenge is in place, yes?
Now let us take this very specific sentence ‘’You don’t RP, therefore, you have no place on AD’’
Let us imagine that is a bit outdated, and bear with me -…
What would you replace that with?
I found myself personally fond of
‘’What do OOCers offer that RPers cannot fulfill?’’
Let us explore that a bit, shall we?
Indeed!
What do they offer that RP’ers cannot?
My challenge for the two you on this one.
What do they bring to AD, if we choose to look at it objectively.
I do appreciate nuances whilst we have this little imaginary game.
And by all means, do not take it too serious, yes?
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Then they’re not “OOCers”/“None-Rpers” then. They’re Roleplayers. Your statement is invalid.
As everyone has stated - you don’t have to be in character all day every day. People have their downtime and IRL always comes first.
Cross-faction for instances exist to fill this void - ofc due to a decreasing player count.
And of course these are people that are not on a RP realm so obviously the standards don’t need to be enforced.
Yet as a main RPer, I have no void in game content. Those who also enjoy the game content outside of RP have off-realmers to fulfill their OOC desires that make on-realm OOCers redundant.
I’ve already give my two cents on this issue and I definitely respect a lot of the opinions being thrown around in here but this is one I haven’t seen raised yet so I’m going to chuck it in as well.
Role-players are also entirely capable of trolling or disrupting RP as well. Let’s not pretend that they don’t.
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That’s why regulating RP is also important as we’ve seen with… I think it was 8 forum threads on poor behavior.
It’s up to the AD RP community to iron out its flaws.
I’m saying they’re mixed in with the people who do not rp. You know, people who enjoy both things, mingling with people who don’t RP, because the other side of that are the people who only RP and they don’t really play the game, causing them to have to find people to play the game with elsewhere.
I mean my guild, and many guilds like it seem to suggest otherwise, apperantly there’s a demand for people both rpers and non rpers who don’t mind having an OOC community to play the game with, a guild to enjoy content with, while doing RP as well.
By whom, and don’t suggest the likes of this community.
Tbf, a lot more than eight over the years, even just in the role-playing community.
Ultimately, there’s no unified collective. We all do our own thing. We’re not accountable for the behaviour or actions of other player’s.
I see eye to eye with you in terms of it being extremely unhelpful and toxic when players who’re OOC or have no interest in role-play actively troll or demean role-players, but I definitely think that a lot of people on AD specifically (I have not seen this ‘screw OOC’ers’ thing in any other RP community I’ve been in) turn people off RP in general. That’s not the community’s issue either. That’s just down to potentially toxic individuals.
Ultimately as someone who made the transition from not being remotely interested in RP, the community within the RP server helped me to discover an interest in RP. They didn’t turn me away at the gate.
And that kind of attitude is more conducive to building and maintaining a hobby.
You still don’t get it! Let me spell it out.
1) You can roleplay. You can do content.
You can do roleplay exclusively and not do content.
This is a RPer. They roleplay.
2) You can not roleplay on a RP realm and exclusively do content or linger. This is what is commonly perhaps out of ease referred to as an “OOCer” but more accurately a “none-RPer”
I am saying 2) is not needed on AD, a RP realm - and they shouldn’t feel the need to stay or join because their intended purpose does not align with the realm’s purpose.
Ideally Blizzard would actually do their jobs (again, ideally they’d do a GOOD job) and maintain their game & communities.
That’s not the case so unfortunately yeah, it IS down to AD as a community. No this isn’t how it should be but that’s what it is. This is a social game, after all.
And as it is AD, invariably certain groups feel that they should be the ones enforcing said rules and lo and behold, the community goes from one quagmire to the next. Each group of course making strenuous commentary as to how it isn’t them. Nothing changes, it didn’t back beyond cata, it won’t now.
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Another thing to consider as well which I think is lost in the nuance of this situation is that a lot of people role-play very differently or have different considerations of how to go about role-play. Some people literally just play their characters as the player character and that’s how they view RP. Not my cup of tea, but it might be theirs.
So long as people don’t disrupt RP and hopefully follow the RP realm naming policies, I don’t really have an issue.
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It’s what they asked for. They contributed nothing by TL;DR “The community sucks”
The only clash is the thing of “lore” but those things can easily be avoided. I would agree with you there.
RP can have levels of depth - but hey… These people are ROLEPLAYING. That’s the whole point of the server.
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Another little story as well before I forget.
I don’t think they play anymore but I once encountered someone on my old server who we had labelled a ‘loller’. I was pretty immature at the time and threatened to report them, mostly for my own troll-y amusement. It was because of their name.
I encountered them years later on AD and they thanked me for setting them on the ‘straight and narrow’. That was surreal and wholesome. They turned out to be a pretty decent role-player.
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