Your frustrations are born of assumption.
I DO have experience; that’s how I found out I don’t like those things.
I don’t just yell I don’t like something without having actually tried it (you know… like some people are doing right now with these talent trees).
We are indeed not. Glad we agree on something.
I frankly don’t care what you’d like. It’s not my problem.
It’s like having to prove to a flat earther that the earth is round.
But some of those concerns, ideas or wishes directly oppose one another. We’ll likely never agree on some matters.
It IS enough. But it’s not useful.
It is definitely enough to just not like something (within reason of course - if I say I don’t like the taste of chocolate when I’ve never had a bite of chocolate in my life, then that’s just silly).
Opinion is just that. Opinion. You don’t need to prove it to anyone.
BUT… My point here was; it’s not useful for the devs, however unlikely that they’re ever going to see your reply, to just say ‘I don’t like it’.
That’s why in my initial reply to these previews I explained that overal I like the trees, but that there are a few things that I think need work. And I proceeded to explain what those things were. That’s feedback that the devs could do something with.
That is literally all.
But in other context; yes, it’s enough to just not like it. That’s completely fine.
I don’t need to try it, so see that rogues will be broken. Dude, come on. That’s logic. It’s as logical as you need air to breath.
Random bgs are arena till 1500 isn’t experience. Sorry. But if you were in my line of work and said you’ve tried to fix a foset. I wouldn’t claim you as a plumber or describe you have experience. Period.
No it actually isn’t. I’ve provided you with clear cut evidence that the pvp matters in thsi game, has always mattered and has always brought more attention to this game than PvE has ever managed.
And that’s okay. But you don’t have to ruin my game experience just so you can do world quests. I don’t think that is fair in the least.
And Tah. Before you reply again…
You’re becomming Silly. You’re literally arguing without reason, proff or anything. You’re expecting me to just take everything as face value.
I don’t even know at this state why you’re crusading me. But at this point, I will stop replying unless you start providing some sorth of evidence to your claims.
Honestly I do some Mythics and Raiding with my bf and the guild, I’ve never had issues in the past but im excited to see what my own build will be able to do, I also do alot of solo content but I dislike the pets they’re annoying.
Super fair. So not super highend content. A bit of raiding, mythic + and mostly solo content I assume. That’s fine with me. I’ll have a look right now.
Did edit my post at the end before you responded but just the same you didnt read it all either so ill make it shorter.
Hunters have far more basic tools atm then paladins, witch is a very are bone class to begin with (paladins that is) and rogues have more tools then hunters… thats about it.
The things you listed a DK gets… you dont have them aswell? Or atleast another version of them? The things you dont you make up for in other talents that add mobility, somethings DKs usualy dont have.
Sorry but i can only see you as a buzzword user.
Ive stated in other posts that i think theres far to little time for Blizz to test and change things if the dealine is for this year on something as huge as talent trees. Guess what classes that effects more? Those that come out at the end and who usually comes out at the end? Paladins!
So im very well aware of your sentiment on the whole issue, want a pat on the back for your copy pasted buzzword line holding true?
No, it’s not. It really, really isn’t.
But besides: It’s the first preview. Stuff WILL change.
Well that’s the difference between ‘having experience’ with something and ‘knowing something - for instance through study or research’.
Someone who’s an expert at ancient roman civilization, didn’t actually live during that time. And no one would expect them to. Because that’s silly. You can KNOW things without having DONE things.
But I disagree with your first bit. They are experience. And downplaying it like that, is insulting.
Sigh. I’ve repeated my words to you numerous times and still you interpret them wrong.
PvP is not the primary focus of the developers.
That is what I said. Read back your reply and try and see if you can discover what’s wrong with it.
I’m not doing that. I don’t have the power to do that.
The developers create the game. They make the decisions.
Stop being so dramatic.
You have been acting silly since the start.
So… “okay”
I reply when you reply. That’s how discourse works, right?
Nothing ‘crusading’ about that. I’m just pointing out the big gaps of logic and just plain common sense that are missing from your ‘war on the talent trees’.
So first thing that truck me. I believe you can do without the improved kill shot. Perhaps get binding shot? I can see that work for solo content. I do feel tranq shot will become useless to you. I feel it’s very much a pvp talent. I know there are cases in pve where it can be used. But both priest and shaman have “purge”, which doesn’t have a cooldown. In solo content, I highly doubt you’ll use it.
I can see the fun in explosive trap, but again, I sorth of feel it’s a pvp niche talent. But fair due I’ve loved it in the past, so no harm no foul.
Camo, ya I do like it. But it doess fall short in pve content. Same does bursting shot. Perhaps try and get Trueshot talent, I can see the use of that in pve. I’ll link an idea based off of yours.
So wait, you resent my statement not because it is a buzzword, but because it is right?
I mean yeah, absolutely. They shot themselves on the foot with the release date, I won’t disagree with that. I don’t know how paladins are going to end up being, but I’m not really sure would it matter anyway whether paladins were released 1st or last- Seeing as no changes have (as of yet) even happened to priest, DK or druid trees.
But that doesn’t make me any less wrong. And my criticism at the players who say “just wait how things will be” is right because anybody with half-a-braincell can understand the problem with this systems, many of the talents and interactions. I had a 500+ argument with Tah + co in an another thread where they eventually ran out of arguments and gave up, so I would know.
Okay, how is it not? Again, explain it to me so my moronic butt can understand it. You’re doing it again by saying something but not exsplaining your resoning behind it.
May be. But you’re literally doing the same to everyone who does PvP. How is this any different?
No. You’re actually not. You’re simple saying “WRONG!”… And that’s it.
I’m not sure I understand. There are alot in the new tree that Unholy don’t have atm. But will get if it stayes the same. Like double chains of ice, reduces IBF cooldown, Both pet and self sacrifice, Empowered rune weapon is a frost offensive cooldown as we speak.
Because it’s the same as arguing with someone claiming that the colour blue is actually red. It makes no sense and it’s not worth my time to even try to disprove it, because it’s just so silly. So I’m not explaining anything. If you can’t understand how ‘theory’ is not the same as ‘fact’, then that’s YOUR problem.
See… Again a claim that is SO UTTERLY LUDICROUS that it’s not even worth answering.
No, I’m not ‘literally doing the same’. At all. AT ALL.
Stop it. Please.
No. I have explained. Early on. But then it became about ‘minor details’ and ‘interpretations of what I said’. Which indeed, I refuse to explain for the reasons I explained above.
Fiarly sure i can take a guess, the ranks that i mentioned in my earlier post, those will be the points we spend.
Its true to a degree, but ive also stated why the forums flooded with posts like yours helps no one. As you have said, you have said them for years and what does it help? Atleast id like to belive Blizz tries to look for constructive criticism and addapt that into the game but by flooding the forums with these, why wouldnt they gloss it over?
I had to get the not needing Bursting shot and honestly I find I get alot of use out of tranq shot especially in some of the groups I get put into never intterupt or purge so I take that extra utility to help the group as for Binding shot I tend to use my traps alot so freezing trap does a good job there and tar if they get too close but obviously I wont havetar trap no more but as long as I have freezing trap im goochi, camo is a fave incase I want to sneak in somewhere and get out without hassle. realigned a few points here;
People, myself included, have given Blizzard constructive criticism for years. To no avail, most of the time.
And Blizzard has said that they do not listen to people simply banging the table and being obnoxious and loud- When, that is strictly speaking not true at all. When SP was revealed to not change at all going from BFA to SL, people flooded the forums, twitter, priest discord, PM’s to devs, everywhere, loud and in unison that this would not do.
The message wasn’t unified, people to this date can’t agree what priest should be. But everyone agrees the spec is a mess. So what did Blizzard do? They changed it. SPriest is objectively in a far better state in pvp than it was in BFA or Legion combined., thanks mainly to the massive outrage people had toward the devs.
It still isn’t perfect and is plagued by many issues, but we didn’t get the changes through constructive feedback. We just kept kicking and screaming loud enough till we got something. Shouldn’t be that way, but it is what it is.
I’ve played against and as rogue long enough, to know that the toolkit they’re getting. Will become exactly as I say it will. I will link you again to this comment once I can reach alpha or beta to prove it. Satisfied?
At this point. You’re just being rude and toxic. I will stop replying to you. Enjoy your day.
I’ve loved it in the past, so no harm no foul.