Cutting into a argument is not against any rule on these forums, and saying that some one is just dreaming is a at least insulting way of debating (not that you are even debating at all)
I disagree. RDF doesn’t belong to classic wotlk and blizzard seems to agree.
You’re right, but all of a sudden I can’t form groups normally because everyone is going to use RDF.
So it will affect the MMORPG side of the game.
I play on a low pop server, on fact most would consider it dead, and we’re completely fine without RDF.
In fact, no one I know on this low populated server is like "if only we had RDF ".
I have a day job and side projects in evenings and still find time to play some wow a few hours a week, I’m not advocating for RDF.
If people really have no time then maybe classic wow isn’t for you. It’s known well that classic WoW rewards time spent in the game if end content if your goal.
Never had this problem on a low populated server. We’re happy to play with anyone that makes the community better.
If people have issues with being excluded then don’t play with those people. I’d put them on ignore and find s different group.
No, but it was the system introduced before Cata where things started to go downhill with blizzards “new” vision at the time.
So it’s definitely a philosophy that brought more interfaces and instant teleportation.
Again I play on a low populated server and I guarantee you that we’ve had a few not so nice people and they had to transfer because no one would invite them anymore.
That’s the power of s community.
Let’s be real, they’ll probably be a dick again and the cycle continues.
Really wish Blizzard would introduce account wide ignores.
I don’t know what kind of low populated server you play on but in Zandalar Tribe we do care and we don’t forget.
I don’t even consider FFXIV an MMORPG and I don’t even consider it an alternative to WoW. So for me you can’t compare them.
I can say the same thing to you. So unless you have hard evidence that RDF helped… 
I don’t think we’ll find common ground. RDF is a terrible system for an MMORPG. In retail, which imo has deviated do far from an MMORPG actually benefits from RDF.
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I don’t even bother responding to him anymore. It’s not a discussion. He just straight up disrespects you if you disagree.
well if you call him a jerk he responds once more saying that he reports you and then runs away with his tail between his legs. Worked yesterday at least
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=> To transform Wotlk in Vanilla like.
Another prove that players prefer play with RDF then.
Hilarious how BG tools exists since Vanilla but no problem about RPG, and even more when we know it’s cross-serv since Vanilla, again, no problem.
If you want a real RPG game, you have to look for another game with no addons like WeakAura, DBM etc., no mini-map, not display your position on minimap, no channel if you want to talk you have to talk in /yall or /say, i don’t think WoW is for you finaly, and even more Wotlk.
LFG is a thing that Blizzard wanted to do since Vanilla, but np problem lol.
Also, BG tool.
Yes and it’s not disrespects to change the game for some players while you refused to them to change Classic and TBC ? It’s called hypocrit and selfish.
Runs away whit his tail between his legs ? Lol that’s the inverse, i’m still there and that’s why you get so mad on the previous debate.
And yes, i will report you again and make a specific request about your insult.
People can look up who left the thread Postive for all specs, or not? LFD last yesterday and come to a conclusion them self.
Are you a kid ? Seriously ?
I explained to you all the things that i could and you then insulted me because you didn’t know what to say LOL so our discussion for me was end, and when you get unmuted you even didn’t replied to me so i didn’t get any notification.
That’s it. You were muted and you deserved it.
And now :
One last replie before I just put you on ignore instead getting tiered of your behavior, You are insulting everyone at who dont agree with you at every chance you get and then you cant handle being called out for it, I know that im a jerk even more so on the forums than in real life and I can take being called one, learn to take what you give.
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“QOL change”
Yea. All of retail is one big QOL change. That turned out great.
Adding the ability to right-click items in your bag with a mail open and have them be added as an attachment instead of just straight up using it: QOL.
Automated group building: Fundamental change to how players interact with one another.
Quality of life is a vague statement but RDf is significantly beyond QOL.
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I generally feel like most QOL changes shouldn’t really be a part of MMORPGs.
- Kind of like how they reworked the talent tree.
- RDF
- RRF
- Cross realm
- Phasing
Etc
I say stick to the fundamentals.
If the social aspect is as important to people as you make it out to be and the RDF really isn’t social, than you will be fine with building groups outside of the RDF. And if it’s not there is no reason to remove it.
So are you some kind of spokesperson for that server? Or do you know every single player on the server and their opinion about it?
Just because you are fine doesn’t mean everyone is.
Well so because the maybe 50 players in your social circle (If it is a big one) don’t want it you just assume nobody on your server does.
Again, just because you don’t have a problem doesn’t mean nobody has.
Or you can just stop to force your playstyle on others and let them enjoy the game however you like.
For the third time now, just because you didn’t have this problem doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
I can tell you it’s a very big problem. Because for me it was basically impossible to join a group as a rogue, so I had to build groups myself to get into dungeons. Because even the most casual players think you can only beat easy content if your group has a meta setup.
And building a building a group often took up to 4 hours and even then it’s not guaranteed, that the group will get full, because the dungeon I’ve played on is almost dead on horde side. In fact most of the time after searching for hours I still had to disband the group without even entering the dungeon.
What?!
No this is just your opinion. I have a different opinion and logic suggest, that you can’t pin everything just on one feature, when there were a lot of other things going on in and outside of the game, that also factor into the equation.
The philosophy was to make it easier for people to access the game. Which in fact is even a social change.
Well I guess then your experience stands against mine, because I’ve played on a low pop server too and the experience I’ve made is that people just don’t care. I’ve experienced multiple times how people warned about a ninja looter and just got laughed at by the community.
I actually doubt that people on your server really ruined their reputation to a point where they have to transfer, unless you play on an RP server with 200 players.
Of course they will, but this just shows there really isn’t any retaliation.
You can ignore a player and in the very next run you can run with his alt without even knowing.
In fact if you run random you can actually even run into the same char again in a dungeon and you wouldn’t be able to do anything about it because you won’t be able to convince random players you doubt know to kick that player and if you just leave you will be seen as the toxic player by that group.
This actually even happened to me once.
Well yes it would be nice, but it still would just help a little, because as I just explained putting somebody on ignore doesn’t mean you won’t run into that player again.
Unless you play with the RDF of course. Because the RDF doesn’t pool you with players you’ve blacklisted.
Ok seeing that you are from Zandalar Tribe which is basically dead according to ironforge pro, it’s actually possible that the community on the server is different, because you can actually know everybody on the server. But you obviously can’t just assume other servers are the same.
On my server there have been about 1500 platters, which is considered very small compared to other servers. But there still was no such thing as a server wide community. Even the most connected players on the server will barely know 5% of the server population. And the people didn’t really care about others.
Well regardless of what you consider it, it is an MMORPG and it is an alternative to WoW.I don’t like the gameplay of FF XIV either, but it has the nicest community I’ve ever seen, and this even though every content is accessible through automatic match making.
I don’t need evidence because I don’t make accusations. You accused the RDF to have destroyed WoW and I named a lot of other things that could have been responsible for it. So if you want to go on with your accusation you should have evidence.
I also think we’ll find common ground here. Because you never took an unbiased look at the RDF. You just made the RDF the scapegoat for feeling out if touch with WoW and completely ignore all the other things that could and probably will have lead to this instead of the RDF.
It’s just a feeling, that you dislike the RDF and I obviously can’t change that.
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This is purely arbitrary. Should Blizzard remove the mailing system, because people don’t have to meet to trade?
Should Blizzard remove guild banks because it reduces communication in the guild?
Should Blizzard remove global channels? Because once again it removes the necessity for players to meet up to talk. And from an RP perspective it’s unlogical to be able to talk with a player on the other end of the world.
Should Blizzard remove flight paths, because they remove the necessity to travel through the world?
I think you won’t really be able to say that convenience is bad. So how about we stick to talk about why the convenience of the RDF is bad instead of saying: “It’s bad because it’s convenience.” When you don’t really have a problem with convenience itself.
Mail isn’t a quality of life thing - its SLOWER to use mail than to travel across the world and back again to trade items. Mail is a function and adds something to the game.
Everything on your list adds something to the game and you can’t differentiate between those and RDF?
Flawed logic so beyond redemption that discussion is impossible.
And what about BG tools which is also cross-serv since Vanilla ?
Isn’t more MMORPG to make your own army of the Alliance to fight the terrible Horde ?
What about addons ?
Isn’t more MMORPG to ask in chat or at the guy neear from you where you can do this quest ? Instead a looking for your map world with Questie.
Isn’t more MMORPG to ironicaly get RDF to let chat clean and letting us talking on it instead to see “LF LF LF” and getting insulted when you are trying to talk at 2am ?
The list can be long.
Disable all addons. I’m fine with that.
Cross server BG’s is an interesting one. I played Vanilla on day 1 of WSG being released, back when it was same server only. I developed a rivalry with a druid on alliance which, because of the multi-server Battlegroups, i’ve not had that since.
But given the private-server meta DESTROYED world PVP in Classic, i think we needed to sacrifice that in order to get any sort of PVP… period.
Which timewise was just over halfway into wotlk. So in other words you’d be fine with it coming in p2, which would be halfway through wotlk classic?
Oh right. So everyone that hasn’t been playing vanilla classic and/or tbcc but are coming back for wotlk classic because they have been waiting for that for literally years and years aren’t their target audience?
YOU are the one butchering it. Literally. Making players like me, that would love to play wotlk as it was, actually quit.
Yes, quit. I’m moving to a pserver as soon as wotlk is released. Unless they would come out and say we will implement RDF (which wont happen now).
And I can assure you I wont be alone.
First: Then why don’t you stay on your beloved vanilla classic era server?
Second: Can you please give me a source on that one? You think it is yes. I think it is the other way around.
You mean like you are butchering it. Making alot of players quit. right?
Blizzard is taking a huuuge gamble here.
I wonder how long you’ll play it though. If I’m right it wont be for very long before it’s more or less dead with this change. Alot of players going to pservers to actually play wotlk as it was and as they remember it.
Classic audience all together is indeed big. BUT that audience is divided into many different groups, with many different likings. SOME like vanilla classic. SOME like tbc classic. SOME (or alot if we’re gonna go by historical numbers) like wotlk classic. It is not the same audience for all of them!
Forgive me, but it is ~14 years outdated.
Thank you!
Here is the prime evidence that you should not play wotlk classic. It isn’t for you. You are not the target audience.
There is absolutely nothing that says a group made with RDF would be any less fun or any less social then a group made with LFG tool. That is only in your head you have that misconseption.
That’s a straight up lie and false statement. The decline in players didn’t start until a good bit after Cata launch. Go and check the numbers before making claims like that.
I couldn’t agree more to this. I’ve had enough of it.
Rofl what kinda bad troll are you? You know very well that every expansion end has a decline in players. Heck, even end of patches has some decline.
Just get out of here before you make an even bigger fool out of yourself.
Jesus. Just get out of here with all your false statements. Timewise the ICC/RDF patch came 60% into wotlk. after 13 months out of the 25 it lasted.
- Like it is now then actually.
- Oh you mean as opposite from now when only 2/5 people go there and the other 3 gets, guess what… teleported there.
- No. Now the group simply breaks up instead. That’s socialicing for ya indeed.
As it only happened in your head, yea I did miss that.
I’ve actually have this very thing happen a few times. Funnily enough the leader is even open about it an says something like “sorry gotta kick you, my friend just logged on”.
Very nice socialicing indeed.
LMAO what a suprise. A genuine troll for a fact.
You’re wrong with that assumption, plain and simple. I, and many with me, would be out in the world doing stuff while in the queue. So more people in the world with RDF.
You’re wrong again. At least if you’re playing in one of the 4-5 bigger realms (which the majority of players are) nobody will remember the name of a douche.
Yes, and I do think this boils down to the fact that exactly everybody was expecting RDF to be in wotlkc at one point or another. Before Blizzard went out and made this public.
More common actually then you think actually. You just don’t want to believe what we tell you.
Seeing how they always point out that we, that want RDF, is a very loud minority, they should have NO problems what so ever to make groups outside of RDF. That is if they actually believe what they say and they think they are the vast majority.
As it has been very near impossible to join/make groups as a ret pala.
Something I am NOT dealing with again or anymore.
I beg to differ. It IS in fact a QoL improvement even though it takes longer. Because people percieve the travel back and forth as more timeconsuming and just a huge hassle.
You are so very right!
And with this very long post I am out of here. So done with this, Blizzard and these trolls, now.
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Yes. Remove the cross-server aspect from BGs and BGs will become more social spaces with more meaningful PvP. The reason people did wpvp back in the day was not for any reward, but for fun, immersion or for gathering a reputation on the server.
However, BGs without some form of group automation probably wouldn’t work. Finding 5 people can prove challenging. WSG is 10man, AB and EOTS are 15man and AV is 40man. Also, if players have too much control over Battlegrounds they’re bound to win-trade. We witnessed this in Cataclysm when Blizzard attempted to make winning offensive battles in Tol Barad more lucrative. So winning on the offense had better rewards than winning the defense, so no one bothered to defend and thus went against “the spirit” of the World Battleground.
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If you can’t muster up the time, the game is not for you then. Go play something else.
Cata killed the game for me because of the changed world and that first underwater zone. Death of Arthas finished the story for me. I don’t mind LFR/LFD either in or out the game
Thats why people were looking forward to wotlk. Its designed for players having less time and focus on gameplay. That was the original experience and the original target audience. Now the game is about to be altered for vanilla fans, because vanilla fans dont want to play on their vanilla servers anymore, because vanilla is not what its used to be like. Vanilla fans now like to force players to play every future expansion like they think vanilla is meant to be played. And then they tell them to “go play something else”, while the option players with less time are looking for is literally the original wotlk experience. All this, while vanilla fans could play exactly what they want: vanilla era.
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