Thats not half its 1/3.
It isnt ok becouse if they put into the game they wont be able to take it out for future content updates.
RDF goes against the whole point of an MMORPG.
- No communication and interactions required to make a group
- Don’t need to travel the world to get to the destination
- Your position is not important, make a mistake and have a chance to get kicked. No incentive to find solutions. Just kick and replace.
We could just scrap LFR as well no one would ever be able to make a case for that being a good thing to have in the game
Wrong, i calculated it and RDF represent 44% of the total of the game. Min 40%
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WotLK Release: 13 November 2008
RDF Releas: 08 December 2009
Cataclysm Release: 07 December 2010
So there were about 13 months without RDF and about 12 months with RDF in WotLK.
Can we finally stop talking about semantics if it’s the end or the middle and make real arguments?
My argument is the RDF should have been in from the start, because it doesn’t have a downside and there is no use in artificially delaying a feature that is desperately needed by a lot of people, because the game is unplayable without.
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Ooooh you’d be surprised. In fact these RDF arguments are pretty similar to the ones used for LFR. The best one is “if you don’t like then don’t use it”.
What happened during those 12 months?
Did you miss the part when it destroyed the game as we knew it by sacrificing the social dynamics for convenience?
And yet they all pretend that those are completely different (was mainly making fun of them with that comment)
Wotlk total = is like 730 days
3.3 to 4.0.1 = is 327 days or 325 whatever
3.0.2 to 3.3 = is 403
100*327/730 = 44%
So exactly, it’s almost 50% of the total lol
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Players did exactly the same thing than all expansions, unsubbed after cleaning the content. Well play.
Wrong i was respoding to your 30%-40% assumption.
God what a troll with bad faith this is incredible, hopefully all of you community is not toxic like you.
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If “LFM tank daily hc” and “inv” are meaningful communication and interaction in your eyes, you can’t be helped. Because this is how 90% of dungeons are formed in TBCC.
And obviously if 2 people afk on a flypath on the way to the dungeon, to summon the remaining 3 members is a meaningful way of travelling the world for you… seriously you just make up nonsense to argue against the RDF.
It’s not as easy as that. You can’t vote kick for 15 minutes in an RDF group and by that time you will be almost through the dungeon. Plus it’s a vote kick system so the majority of the party has to vote for the kick.
You make it out as if people would kick left and right in a dungeon, when the game obviously prevents that.
In a regular group the leader has all the power and can just kick you right before the endboss, to invite a friend that just came online.
So we have 2 draws and one point where the RDF wins. So overall it’s 1:0 for the RDF.
People obviously played the game as data suggests.
No I didn’t because this never happened. It’s just a legend you and some other people, that left the game, because they got tired off it, made up.
You just made the RDF your scapegoat when in fact you can’t prove any negative effect it had on the game.
Once again: people played the game. That’s all that happened.
Seriously all of you just argue to argue. I am going to ignore you from now on, because none of you really makes any point besides talking about semantics or subjective feelings of what happened 12 years ago. None of this makes for a meaningful conversation.
Edit:
And Bodie and Grozog seem to be from the same account. When I ignored one the other one was miraculously ignored too.
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Still not an excuse to get groups formed automatically and being teleported to the instance.
You may think it’s nonsense but someone is still traveling through the world. It doesn’t make sense to not even have to see the world in an MMORPG.
It’s like you’re advocating for retail all over again.
The vote kick system is garbage. Some groups just don’t care and will just click yes.
Yup, they can do that, but this is just part of the community and will gain you negative rep.
You can be a dick and people will remember your name for what you are.
I disagree. I simply look at how the community has deteoriated over the years in retail to understand.
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I think when I wrote this I overestimated the current anti-RDF vanilla community. At the moment there are primarily trolls trying to argue if it 40% of the expansion was more towards half or third of the expansion, which is maybe close to point 13 on my list, but not really an argument for or against RDF, but only when it comes to the time of its implementation. The other, that the player numbers dropped, wasnt even on my list, because its simply untrue according to blizzards official player numbers. Since its implementation there was a whole year of no influence on the player numbers, but right after cataclysm went live, the player numbers started to drop. RDF might have had an effect, but if it was positive or negative is not provable by looking at the sub numbers. That a feature that was released more than one year ago had more influence on player numbers than a whole new expansion with new class design, new harder dungeons and much more, is more than unlikely.
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That’s still 100 times more meaningful communication than you get in RDF though. Most dungeons I run have by far more social interactions than that though. And the tank doesn’t usually leave and people usually don’t stand afk while being impossible to kick.
Again, you pick the worse case for a normal dungeon run and that’s still much more meaningful than the best case scenario in RDF.
Impressive. You somehow makes it sound good that we can’t kick an afk player for 15min. And after the new player enters, you can’t kick that player at all if they also go afk.
They are, but it’s worse. Not only does people get kicked left and right, we can’t kick the afk leechers and griefers when it’s really needed. Usually because someone else was kicked.
That is extremely rare and if people act like that they can get social backlash because they all share the same realm.
RDF destroyed this game as we knew it and it destroyed the social dynamics when running dungeons.
Ehhhh I played from TBC to Legion?
It happens right now in retail you know, RDF. And if there is anything that we have learned from Classic is that people are not less toxic today.
Even if that was true, and it’s not. The character ban is not account wide on the forum. It used to be so in the past but not since they switch to Discourse. That was a neat trick to fish out duplicates though.
Fixed it for you.
And you still can. Nobody forces you to use the RDF.
No I am advocating to make Classic playable on low pop servers. And to give people a chance to do dungeons, that either have few time to play or would otherwise get excluded because their class isn’t meta.
The RDF isn’t the only difference between Classic and Retail.
That’s an absolute edge case you talk about here. The vote kick system has a few failsafes. The kicks in regular groups don’t.
I am tired of debunking this statement. Even on small servers there is no backlash for misbehaving in a dungeon other than, 4 out of 1500 people putting you on ignore. This will hardly change how easy or hard it is to find groups.
And even if it would you could still log on a twink and get a fresh start.
As I said only 4 people might remember you. 2 of them probably won’t even go out of their way to put you on ignore. And even if all 4 ignored you and told people on the server about it, the people on the server just won’t care.
You overestimate how much people care about the stuff that happens to others.
So unless you have some hard evidence, that this happened because of the RDF and not because of a general change in society and internet culture or the fact that WoW was already 5 years old when WotLK was released and people started to get tired of it and new players rarely joined because the hurdle to join got bigger with every expansion or people just weren’t noobs anymore and knew all the mechanics of the game and didn’t have to communicate anymore to beat the content or Mythic+ that rewards rushing through dungeons as fast as possible and punishes being too slow, I will just say the RDF is the smallest of all those reasons that Retail turned out as it is. And FF XIV disapproves a lot of the arguments against the RDF.
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So ? Oh wait, maybe you know you were trolling or you even can’t calculate this simple thing ?
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And we don’t need to do more than “LF Last tank for”
Bad faith, because it’s everytime it.
Travel the world ? You mean afk alt-tab google chrome during the automatic fly ?
Wrong, with RDF you can’t kick anyone before 15min, and 15 is enough to clean the dg lol so you can’t kick. It’s without RDF you can kick as you want and replace.
Well, 3 arguments, 75% wrong and 35% dreaming. Not surprised.
It is because we don’t care because it doesn’t change nothing and RDF was added in Wotlk.
Yes afking during the auto-fly, awesome traveling through the world. You are in denial, or you troll, or you have bad faith.
If you want traveling throught the world, to to Classic ERA.
Or just for Wotlk.
And some groups just don’t care will just click NO because they will say that dg is easy and we don’t care about kick, just go rush and clean. Also, you can’t kick before 15min.
Well, good luck on a server with 6k+ players.
And you will see that no RDF will change nothing.
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Maybe you should cut back on the insults
before someone decides to call you jerk again and you have to go and report them for insulting you back…
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Oh, because i said wrong and dreaming, it’s an insult ok.
Bad faith, you are just so mad about the previous debate, but i will report you again for your intervention.