Enough is enough. Bots are ruining high level herb/mining farming

they could implement a system where if you have a gathering profession all mobs have a chance to drop the items you get from nodes based on your skill level. Maybe add certain drops to specific mobs but I wouldn’t restrict it too much otherwise you’ll get over farmed areas again

GL bro. What naxx you are talking about? Maybe you forgot that vanilla naxx is not WOTLK naxx, and most of guilds will wipe 10-50 times on Loatheb/4HM/Sapph? For every try you need full DPS consumables, +GSPP (all 3 fights), +frostprotect on sapph (frostprotect is not only GFrPP, but also deflector+juju), +fireprotect (4H), +bandages (loatheb)? Except of those 3 key fights, many casual guilds will wipe on: Patchwerk, Gothik, Kelthusad, and even easier fights such as Thuddius and Maexxna can wipe casual guilds.

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Average grey parsing boomer response.

Opinion: rejected.

As far as we know from era the drop of populationis going to be 40%-50%
Just 4 weeks ago on Us-forum (there) is-was a topic created of 20% drop in population .

Naxx?? Majority of the guilds would be lucky if they going to pass 4 bosses. Don’t forget that many of the people= quitting are not replaceable . Losing a geared player , hurt a lot :LD

Wiping on a boss on naxx especially for the casual guilds= re take the buffs .
I doubt any casual guild will progress with w-buffs .

Also don’t forget that for bots to actually have a profit should have a thrilling community . As more Irl Players quit the damage is higher since you cannot replace the active player to bots=in raid :smiley:

Bots have taken over the server mate and it’s not just mining/herbing. I literally spent 45 minutes in BRM standing on the chain last night and during that time I MC’d at least 5 Rogues and 15+ Mages off the chain onto the ledge below - Any mage level 60 that I did this too used auto unstuck to kill themselves while the one below 60 ran into the wall below the chain for the entire time I was there. This was all on 1 layer and we’ve had 5 layers recently.

Also to the guy saying you don’t need WB’s and consumables - You’re right but good luck getting invited to a raid without them.

Many such cases.

What’s that?

It’s a tool you can use in the support section if your character gets stuck, if your HS is on CD it will kill your character.

Good luck finding a guild that doesn’t require consumables. I have never seen a serious guild or even a decent pug that does not make it standard. Most groups want to clear raids smoothly without unnecessary problems and that is where consumes come in. Sure, you can clear all content without consumables, but that is not how any real raid group chooses to play. Go ahead and when Naxx is released apply to a guild and state in your application that you will not be using consumables because they are unnecessary. Then post your application here so we can all see how that goes.

what? you need to use exactly 0 of these

What you personally need and what a guild requires are not always the same thing.

0 guilds requires GNPP for for AQ 40. if you are spending 100G for this weekly just find a different guild or you will be bleeding gold in naxxramas.

Maybe your guild does not require them, but plenty of guilds do have consumable standards in AQ40, and it will only get stricter in Naxx. Saying ‘just don’t use them’ sounds nice, but in practice most guilds expect players to show up prepared.

Just give up and come to terms with the fact that it isn’t going to change.

Blizz has ignored all the forum posts, tweets, and threads about bots ruining the game economy. They can say otherwise, but honestly, I get the feeling they just don’t care.

With the current system, they get to have their cake and eat it:

  • Bots pay subs.
  • Players are forced to buy mats because farming against an army of bots sucks.
  • Players buy WoW tokens to afford those mats.
  • Blizzard pads their bottom line.

At this point, I can’t believe their whole “we study bots for months then mass-ban them” story. By the time they do ban bots, the damage is already done and the game economy is wrecked.

The only way they could redeem themselves is by having GMs actively in the world, permanently banning bots—like private servers do. But they’ll never do that.

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You need plenty of these. Even first boss can wipe your buffs without GNPP + GAPP. Trash bees can easily one-shot you with bad RNG, bye-bye buffs. Ctun will one-shot you with slightly bad positioning. Huhuran will kill half the raid without GNPP. Viscidus requires insane amounts of GNPP and poison dispells. You’re out of touch.

Here’s absolutely random log:

https://fresh.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XWwpjvmMZYnLxF3h

17 small nature protection potions and around 100 big ones.

Every single guild I have been in in Classic and am now in Anniversary requires multiple nature pots in AQ 40. At the very LEAST one on huhuran, one on Visc and one on Cthun. Most require more and also one arcane pot on Skeram. Over 20 years I have been in exactly one guild not requiring nature pots in AQ40, an ultra casual guild in 2006 vanilla stuck on huhuran 2 months before TBC prepatch.

Only 3 layers and a huge amount of raiding players is the real root cause. Bots is only a small part of the problem. There are simply not enough herbs gathering from 3 layers(even with bots, who probably working 24 hours a day) for all raiding players.
Blizzard ignoring this _ can’t beat bots - we get high prices on AH and it is not possible to gather herbs by yourself.
Look, small amount of herbs(comparing to high amount of raiders) make prices on AH high in any case, it doesnt matter who gather herbs, bots or players. Means some people will try to buy gold to buy consumables even for high prices, this makes it very profitable for bot owners to keep their activities.
The solution is so simple: increase layers or increase herbs spawn, but blizzard ignores this.
Pvp server is totally cooked because of this problem. Not a classic 2006 experience at all.

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When you face an unpleasant situation there are more or less 4 reactions:

  1. Anger.
  2. Acceptance.
  3. Trying to change things
  4. Leave

Since 2019 there is are two constants:

  1. Bots
  2. Unsuccesful attempts by Blizzard to solve the bot conundrum.

You cannot change this. You can be angry about this, but angry is not good for your health. You can either leave blizzard servers or accept that you living in the Era of the Bot.

Thank you for your attention to this matter!

I fully agree with this. Somewhere a few months into Anniversary I just gave up. Bots and their services are here to stay. That’s it. Accept it or unsub. I just accepted it because raiding with my guild is still fun, so I do it as a hobby, more or less ignoring the state of the game otherwise.

I reached the same exact conclusion at the beginning of Anniversary. Some parts of the game is simply dead due to bots. I have realized that I’m a dying breed and my preferences and gamingstyle is slowly drifting away. Most people these days seems to not want to play the game and enjoy it but that it should be rushed through as quickly as possible and everyone who isnt min/maxing isnt welcome in groupcontent. Yes I’m generalising. Hence, people buy gold and boosts. Which creates a high demand, which is why we have this cancer in the game. Sure we can blame the police for not doing a good job, but also it’s the “community” that provides demand and is the root cause.

So when I’m leveling my main in TBC I will factor in these things. If there will be a TBC/WOTLK ERA that is. Because to me that is a must if Im to invest time and effort into building a character. I dont want to invest a year or two only to loose it all (again).

So profession-wise I will not take herb/mining ever again on Blizzards servers. If we will have ERA-servers and I play TBC I will go for example tailoring instead. It’s sad but I don’t see this problem going away since neither Blizzard or the big bulk of the community want to change it.