TLDR; BG release and faction locked transfers arent enough to fix imbalance, we need one time faction change combined with queues ideally
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paid server change wont help, even with faction locks, as there is overall more horde than alliance on all pvp servers.
faction queues with free faction locked server transfers wont help, as the only people left who havent transferred have already sat in queues for months and i would doubt they would transfer because of more queues, and all the destination servers are too low pop for people to risk going there and the server dieing (med pop is fine for now but wait until aq progression when the playerbase dips).
despite how many times you say it, people wont reroll this far into progression, i wouldnt and i am a nolifer.
bg release wont help as like i said people wont reroll its too late in most peoples minds.
ONLY solution i think is a once only faction change, from majority to minority faction, locking out shamans/paladins unfortunately as i doubt many would want to play a different class than the one they initially chose anyway, in limited amount to address the imbalance and not shift it over to the other side. NO paid race changes, paid appearance changes or paid class changes (no slippery slope, if you will) or repeat faction changes, just once to help imbalances. i play horde on shazzrah and i hate it, i would happily switch and i know a significant number of other horde players would also switch as the pvp is dead and useless on either side of the fence. open to discussion, please give suggestions or ideas, i know theres tons of these threads but IMO this is the only real solution that will help, thanks for reading
I would hope something like this is implemented. I play on Noggenfogger server which has horde only transfers aswell i just find myself playing less and less as time goes on as i literally can’t go anywhere or do anything so whats the point in playing. Yes i chose a pvp server. No i didn’t choose to play on a server which would end up being a ridiculous Ratio. And with Layering at the launch you really couldn’t tell until more and more layers got removed. By that time i was invested i this server and don’t really feel like rerolling its taken me 3 months to hit 60 as I’m a casual. So will probably just end up quitting the game and play something don’t fancy paying 9.99 a month to play a game in which literally can’t do anything in. Will BGs change much who knows.
yes i agree, layering disguised the problem and due to there being no faction queues or anything to help in place its far too late to fix now without a one off transfer like i said and THEN maybe faction queues etc to stop it spiralling again, like you say transfers dont mean much when ally are quitting at a higher rate than horde are transferring, BGs will remove more alliance from the world due to instant bg queues and horde will be out there farming honor during queue time so the world will be even worse for the poor allies who have to level/farm/gear
Blizzard would have to offer a serious incentive (essentially some form of bribe to Horde players). Faction change as many of your horde characters as you want for free on the same server, keep your character name, take everything with you as you have it now, gold, items etc, heck allow guild transfer if they can. Would it work? I am not convinced it would be enough and I don’t think Blizzard would want to give Horde something to convince them to do it either. If that is the case, how many players would go for it anyway, they chose Horde to start with and they are on the winning faction, they would be taking a big risk with no clear reward.
i think if it was offered as a free transfer for a finite number of characters to balance server, first come first serve only option really, offered with all soulbound gear kept and maybe 500g limit or something on gold carried over, there would be a significant amount of transfers, alright maybe not enough for 50/50 but it will definately help, on my server there is alot of horde pvpers who are having no fun at all, NOONE wins with 40 horde chasing every single target around, i for example always played horde on previous vanilla servers but i would change in a heartbeat and so would maybe half of my guild as far as i know, i cant speak for everyone but its not like we ENJOY the 20v1 situation, we have been running small groups 5-10 man into ironforge daily last week to farm honor and getting absolutely bullied back out because its the only reasonable way to expect any sort of resistance…we dont WANT to steamroll and it’s wrong to assume everyone is happy with it
i didnt roll for this crazy imbalance its naive to think everyone went horde for ezmode… ive played vanilla before on other servers and never has it been this bad, and you dont want it fixed? i dont even play bgs much btw i just want a fair wpvp experience while farming etc, bg queues dont bother me in the slightest, having 20 horde players at every farm spot does however, also like ive said previously layering masked the extent of the damage so it wasnt really a choice to continue with the imbalanced server as i was unaware how bad it was and i assume the same for many other players
edit: noticed you did say many NOT all and i agree but its still worth trying to help the problem
ive been talking about this with my guild for months, before p2 even landed that wpvp is bad and will only get worse, didnt really want to post on forums but it seems like it wont get any better, i know its suspect to do this now but please consider im not doing this in reaction to bgs i just want a fair fight and right now its not fair and not fun, despite what people think, even on the “winning” side
The only real solution is what we’ve had for 15 years.
The PvE server. And this is demonstrably true. How many posts have been started by PvE players stating imbalance issues in the open world they are having?
Faction change would help a bit for sure. Though most people want to stick with their friends/guilds. So entire guilds would need to be convinced to switch, which would be a problem because of shamans.
I would not particularly mind switching. I took horde because my friends prefered horde, I played both sides in Vanilla. But if my guild would not switch, I would not do either.
ive played pvp vanilla servers for some time and they can be balanced and fun, of course pve is an option but for those that WANT to remain pvp i think it would be a good idea to balance things out, saying pvp is flawed and everyone should play pve is untrue as when done right pvp server is great, but it does rely on balance
Happy for them to do it but then they lose the right to complain if they can “no longer play the game” and raise issues issues due to imbalance. Especially now the issues have been raised.
-Does this look fun to anyone?
It would be false for me to say this has never and will never happen but it’s demonstrably not currently the case .
This is in response to the “solution” to the PvP imbalance issues - and i stated
I said only said we already have a solution
by right i’ll make the assumption that you mean fair. However this historically has almost never been the case
like i said its not going to fix the problem overnight but it would help, at this point some of these servers need anything they can get before people quit entirely and im not convinced other suggestions e.g. paid transfers or faction queues will help now based on what i wrote in original post, yes its a problem for shamans/paladins and guilds but i dont know what else to suggest to be honest, it would definately bring some over and thats better than just letting the situation get worse
Will exacerbate the problem for the players that remain on the server. But yes will fix it for players that leave, presuming they choose a server where they are the dominate faction (makes the problem worse on that server) or a PvE server.
Sounds unrealistic to me and doesn’t really solve the underlying problem.
fair enough but im trying to save my pvp server i have no interest in pve servers and it is not a solution to people that want to play pvp ruleset, i wont go into why i think pvp is better as im sure you’ve heard it before, also yes the current example is bad but why does that mean we should run to pve instead of put forward changes to fix it? pve servers have massive imbalances also its not unique to pvp realms, also like i said private servers have managed to control ratio to an acceptable level so why cant we suggest the same rather than just saying its not worth trying?
edit: i do concede that its another solution though yes i just think we can do better
That’s fine, but when you choose a PvP server you sign up to that ruleset for better for worse and you need to be able to deal with the fact that if other players can kill you they will, if they can camp you they will, if they can gank you 10v1 they will.
When you sign up for a PvP server you agree to the idea that this can happen to you.
The issue you have is human nature of “I want to win and i don’t care about how the game feels to other players” If you can change that then yes you’d have a solution.
Indeed but it doesn’t “prevent players from playing the game”.
I don’t know why that is the case but i’d guess as the scale wasn’t as large.
i agree its a problem with people, so on private servers they use faction queues and non crossrealm bgs which really help balance the population, its not perfect but without this like we had at launch, you end up with the mess we have now, private servers learned this lesson a while ago and now classic is learning it to, im trying to help speed along the process of ending up with a good server but now we are so far into the game, my original suggestion is the only way to help in my opinion, and after the transfer add the faction based queues as an incentive to not slip back into the old ratio, as unfortunately like you say unless people are coerced into it they will try and take the easiest route which is harmful long term
