Also add to this that these are the players who know how to actually PvP…
If you think that’s me, it’s not. I don’t do personal attacks and stuff. No need for that.
Anyway. Believe it or not.
I want AV to be balanced, fair and fun within the context of a Vanilla recreation. I experienced that on Nostalrius, the private server that more or less made Classic happen. AV was freaking amazing. I played both Horde and Alliance and AV was basically my end game. I didn’t raid, I didn’t really rank per se, got to r10 once, only from AV. Super fun, random preamde vs premade, pug vs pug (sometimes premade vs pug ofc, not great). Generally Awesome.
So, when I am saying it’s not the map, I am saying that because it’s true, not because I don’t want AV to be better, or more fun, or to prevent Alliance from winning more. I play both factions in Classic. I want to play more AV, I want AV to be better. But I don’t want the map to be “balanced”. That’s a super dangerous slippery slope. Especially since the map is not the reason alliance lose so much in Classic.
The reason behind the Horde dominance is something that can actually relatively easy be fixed without trying to make custom changes to the in-game world.
You know what, the map is already so imbalanced that you can’t make it more imbalanced in favor of horde. So there is no slippery slope, we are already way past that point!
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Ok so you are just a troll. Ignored.
Then that part must be fixed and maybe the mentality will follow ;)…
AV was only winable for ally as premade. Since premades are hotfixed it is pure pain to get to exalted for rep revards. Nothing to do there after that.
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Solution: Remove automatic matchmaking for teammates. Only make it possible for full premades to queue for BGs. That way, everyone can win! Because obviously, Alliance are too bad in pvp to win outside of premades.
This is only the case in AV. Not the other BGs.
The problem is the BG itself, not the players.
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Except it’s a widespread mindset issue, and a lot of players running around with a martyr complex and confirmation bias.
And the best way to solve that, is to just get rid of automatic matchmaking for teammates. Solves most of the problems people complain about in PvP, including afkers, bots and so on. Since they can’t get into BGs when premades are the only option. Perfect, right?
And why do you think that is the case in AV and not in the other BGs?
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Because most of the players who cares enough to complain are already pvping in premades for those BGs. That’s the difference.
You’re completely missing the point though.
I think premades are a part of the game… I get that. But it doesn’t change the fact that the map is hugely imbalanced, and the mindset of the players is a result of that - not the cause.
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The mindset is the cause of that. Because you see, the mindset was already shattered in the WPvP phase, which is why they rushed the release of AV and WSG. The pserver “elites” had already planned to use the premade exploits for AV even before the BGs were out, and it rapidly grew in popularity, even causing segregation issues in that part of the player community on the Alliance side. (Remember AV premade discords and requirements?)
So when their “toy” got taken away, they started crying, and the mindset rapidly turned overly negative. That’s what has been festering ever since.
From the start of AV in Classic, the Alliance side has never once had full 40-man random teams properly trying from the start all the way to the end in enough quantity to even say it’s indicative of anything other than mindset issues.
It was just tested a few times, and then quickly given up on. Because they had already decided it wouldn’t work, even before trying it.
The only source of “statistics” you can reach any sort of conclusion from, is probably from the Asian realms. Since they probably didn’t suffer these mindset issues that the self-entitled West did.
I whole heartedly disagree with your statement. The BG is rigged. But you already know that.
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Gotta love that martyr complex, bro.
I want to quote my favourite answer on this subject.
This was said by Trulylucky on another thread regarding this subject and I think it applies here perfectly:
"I have to say, you certainly outdone yourself with that post.
Let me ask you, because you are obviously in an extreme state of zugzug.
If horde is as powerful and strong in PvP as you claim, how come Alterac Valley is the only battleground where horde is able to assume complete domination?
Why is that horde struggles when against equal odds, such as it is in other battlegrounds, but when in Alterac Valley where they are at a supposed map disadvantage (according to you), they somehow shine through and win 95% of the games?"
It is from this thread:
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Source? From what I’ve seen, randoms vs. randoms in other BGs tends to do just fine on both sides. Premade vs. premade is a different matter altogether.
Also, kudos on spreading even more disinformation and confirmation bias to feed your martyr complex. <3
It’s a struggle on both sides. And that’s exactly how BGs are supposed to be.
In AV there is no comparable struggle.
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Exactly. Because of the mindset issues becoming so widespread.
Nah…
And regarding people saying that things have been different in the past:
Raids have also been very different in the past. It is obvious. Now that we know everything about the game and put it to use the raids are a joke comparing to what they used to be.
The same applies to every other area in the game, like AV.
Now that the horde know the map enough to exploit it to the fullest, well, this is the result and it’s plain for all to see.
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