Some tanks are just criminals tbh. I am currently running +12 weeklys crest grinding on my hunter alt.
I’d rather wait 30mins for a tank that is competent than running with these adventurous people.
We wouldnt. There is a reason why DPS players play DPS.
I personally can tank mid to highish keys, but I’d rather play my DPS specs because its more fun and I am a way better dps player than tank player.
Blizzard has to make tanking and healing interesting for DPS players to reroll. “Forcing” DPS players via high wait times in a soloqueue system wont work. The forums would be filled with an infinite amount of threads how bad the system is for DPS players.
That list, all it does is make the people who already play ask a tank and or healer, it makes them want to play as a tank and or healer even more.
The list doesn’t do anything to entice DPS players.
Case in point.
The reason why you often see DPS purposely not doing mechanics is the same reason why tanking and healing just aren’t for me.
The Holy Trinity:
- Tank
- Healer
- Damage Dealer
Only one of those roles fosters a competitive environment.
Even if there was a way to make tanking more appealing to DPS by making it competitive.
No one wants to be known as the best punching bag (tanks).
Exactly, they are just perks (leg room) for flying LFG, what’s premium is Time, which is what SoloQ saves them.
Remove the players and replace them with 4 npc’s.
Much better experience!
It literally doesn’t…
Let me get this streight. YOU dont do mechanics. You know that if you dont do them as a healer/tank you will 100% fail the key. That is why you dont tank/heal. Is that correct?
You talk as if you havent done dungeons in 10 years. It’s difficult to take you seriously like that.
Tanks are NOT “punching bags”. They are the leaders. The gigachads. And their rotation of defensives is FAR from being a “punching bag”. Its critical that they do it correct. If they dont, the whole team fails.
The DDs can fail on their rotation. And it dosent matter. The boss dies anyawis. Pack die anywais. Just… 30s slower.
But not the tank. The success of the dungeon falls, in great part, on the tank.
And you cannot get MORE competitive than that. That is PRECISELY why people dont want to tank. And that is what my list addresses. And the same thing applies on the healer.
Did you read the list?
What is this then? Cause this is just one suggestion that would reduce wait times for DDs. And has NOTHING to do with DDs re-rolling.
I am flabbergasted that you cannot grasp the following concept:
How can you get faster than 0 minutes to find a group? SoloQ saves what? 30 minutes? So healers and tanks take -30 minutes to find a group? As in they get invited to the group 30 minutes before logging in? How is that supposed to work?
THAT is what you dont get. It CANT get any faster than what it is right now. For healers and tanks. In LFG and SoloQ. It dosent matter.
ALL that changes is WHO do the tanks/healers get paired up with. Good DDs. Or bad DDs.
I repeat. I am not talking about “worthy” DDs. Or “deserving” DDs. Just… skill or no-skill.
LFG == paired with GOOD DDs. SoloQ == paired with “who knows. Maybe good, maybe bad”.
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Ok. Let me get this straight. You are arguing that SoloQ saving you MAYBE 2-3 mins for insta group->insta port to dungeon with who knows what quality players is WORTHWHILE to give up my healer/tank privilege to gather the best group for the highest chance of success which takes maybe 2-4 mins.
Is THIS your argument? Really?
Nah. No thanks. I rather spend my 2-3 mins on the airport desk choosing which airline’s first class I will fly than play the “insta lottery” and get thrown into Rynair flight full of aggressive smelly drunks…
I think his argument for soloQ is that its “worth” giving up your perk to choose players in your group for maximum success rate … to “save” 2-3 mins in insta ports and risk playing with God knows who…
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Ok, gigachad.
That is you answer? A bit lame to be honest. I was expecting more.
You still haven’t convinced me of why any DPS would roll a tank?
Maybe you should try tanking and healing. Instead of making lame excuses like these:
If you see our PoV you will understand.
People are playing soloqs only because it is most inflated and arenas are deflated, what this means is that in arenas you fight 20x glad 10x r1 awc player on 2000 rating onwards when in shuffles/blitz you meet life long rival players on 2100-2400 rating. Easy to imagine which mode people go for if the lack of participation now is not compensated in arenas.
It’s a problem on their rated system as whole if its entirely participation based for each of the modes separatedly, and blizz comes add multiple rated modes on the system with same seasonal rewards, it obviously affects everything and should not had happent in first place. It has been brought to attention many times since dragonflight and I for one can continue to mention it and remind that not all of us want play soloq’s as our sole content for pvp.
This is not specific to you; you just reminded me of it.
The people who criticise the ideas of others either don’t have any or they can’t articulate a convincing defence of the ones they do have.
I asked you to convince me to play Tank, and your response was:
The reason why I should play Tank is that… I should play Tank.
If you try SoloQ for M+, you will understand.
Care to try again?
Convince me to play Tank.
Sell me on the changes you would make to the class.
Solo Shuffle isn’t popular because of the game type; Solo Shuffle is popular because of the queue-up system.
Never said that. I said you should try it.
Simply because you are horribly confused about what a tank actually does in M+. As if you never actually played a tank before.
Let me articulate what I mean. I Heal. I have tried tanking and DDing before. I know what it feels like to play those rolls before.
I know what it feels like to be rejected over and over again when I DD. I feel bad when the whole party wipes because I did not play perfect as a tank. I know, because I have felt it myself.
You should too.
This is hillarious. You have a whole thread of people telling you the REAL situation in M+. And you continue to deny it. But when YOU get the same treatment you come here with these whines.
I have. In PvP. I (and many other healers) stopped playing PvP because we got sick and tired of playing with absolute monkeys in SS.
I am telling you the REAL situation.
If you answer the question properly I could. Because you dodged it. You said “I dont play tank because DDs are lame”. So I choose to play DD. Which dosent make any sense. That is what I understood atleast.
What I get from that is that when you played Tank/Healer, you failed. And the whole group wiped and payed the price. So you prefer to play DD. Where you can fail with out any major consequences. THAT is the conclusion I get from YOUR words.
Which means. From YOUR PoV, you dont get invites in LFG because YOU are the “monkey” everyone wants to avoid. So you want a SoloQ to force Blizzard to accept you into groups. That’s the conclusion from this.
BUT. I might be wrong. YOU tell me if I am mistaken or not. Answer the question, and clarify things that dont make any sense FIRST. THEN I can give you suggestions when you stop being so “vague” about it.
Inlighting me.
What does this have to do with playing as a tank?
Let’s try again.
Convince me to play Tank.
What changes would you like to see in the class that would make it more appealing to DPS players?
YES. Lets try again:
But hey. Look. Let me be even simpler.
Play tank/healer and you get INSTANT invites to any key you want. AND you get carried through the dungeon by 3 Gigachad DDs that do everything for you. How about that?
Imagine if I told you that if you play Tank, you will win 100% of all your PvP matches. And get INSTANT invites. So no waiting around for any SS to pop. Or looking for hours at LFG.
Simply… Log in. Play. Win. 100% of the time.
Not good enough? 
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You would understand what it feels like to be instantly invited to any group you apply. ANY.
And you would know the difference between playing with lame DDs and Gigachad DDs. And THEN you would understand the PoV of every healer/tank on this forum telling you WHY they dont want to be paired up with lame DDs.
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You dont understand that we get instant invites. FIRST. You dont understand the impact of playing with lame DDs.
And THIRD, you call a tank a “punching bag”. Which literally is FAR from reality. As if you never played a Tank in M+.
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Doesn’t make any sense; it is the status quo, and yet DPS still won’t re-roll as Tanks.
Is that it, or do you have any other “convincing” arguments on why I should play as a Tank?
What does this have to do with convincing you to play a tank?
Your soloQ idea hinges on tanks and healers actually participating cause Blizzard wont make a soloQ where you can run it with 5 DPSes only.
And your promise of “faster queues” are NOT attractive towards tanks and healers because they already get FAST queues. Arguing some weird semantics that your soloQ will be 30 sec, 1-2 min faster is absolutely pointless.
Since I get the impression that you are only arguing from a pure solo DPS PoV, Uda gave you a descent suggestion to try tanking or healing to UNDERSTAND their POV and how would a tank or healer see your soloQ.
You outright refuse this and start some childish merry-go-around “I dont want to play tank, change my mind”.
I do like the fact that as a tank I can get into groups pretty easily and have quite a lot of groups to pick from
Provide a built-in tool for route planning that highlights in some way the mobs to pull. Tanks need not be tour guides 
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